Hey Chek Ling.

If one half of the population of China was either born overseas or who had overseas born non Chinese parents, what would the Chinese people in China be saying about that?

You and I both know that they would be just as disgusted at their own political leaders for allowing that to happen, as Australia's are today. And knowing how racist Chinese people are, I would say a lot more so.

Your article is just another rant by a Chinese who would love Australia to become part of China. And you know that large scale Chinese immigration is the best way to achieve that desirable outcome without the necessity of engaging in a messy war. And, you know that there is a significant section of Australian society who are self flagellators and who want to believe that their own race and culture are the worst on the planet. So your article will have some appeal to that particular caste.

And I love the reference to Zimmerman, the little fagot helecoptered into his seat to appease the gay rights terroists.
The same exact terrorists who sacrifice "others" for their own personal gain, in appeasing Chinese, and lauding them in value, above the same "all others".

It's now a case of sit back and watch the penalty for Chinese appeasement to be paid for by citizen Joe Blow.

Multiculturalism has taken this country to its knees, and all of it by appeasing minorities.
Who is an Australian, and thus the extended question, what are the group loyalties of its citizens which can be relied upon in times of threat, such as now from China?

White culture is still marginally in the majority: but the enemy has become so embolden as to identify itself and its motives. Anybody black is a suspect and threat!
Chinese are suspect and a threat.

One truth many of us in the real world of Australia are aware of, is the resentment towards Chinese in the suburbs is as real as the Chinese commos' complain.
I'll concede that point!

But through all this, who do we blame? I know my answer!

Dan.

The author self describes his motivation for becoming an activists as, in part, "the anti-Asian episodes fomented by Blainey". I think he needs to go back and read what Blainey actually said because it is impossible for a logical, sensible, intelligent, unbiased person to interpret Blainey's words as being anti-Asian.

After reading this article "WTF!" I asked at first. Then I realised Australia, as a sovereign country, does not want to be viewed as a Ben Dover US whore.

China hopes that Australia can have its independent China policy, and that Australia's relations with the US do not target third countries - including China.

Australia, as a key US ally, leans toward the US for security while depending on China for trade. After all, it is a Western country culturally and politically, and geographically hanging off the edge of Asia.

As a member of the Five Eyes network, an intelligence-sharing alliance among Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US, Australia acts as a fervent US follower. When the US deems it not a good time for it to pick a fight with China at the frontline, Australia often jumps out and tests the reaction of each side.

Malcolm Turnballs, Australia's 29th prime minister, once defined the China relationship in one word - "frenemy," a portmanteau of "friend" and "enemy."

In Turnbutt's recently published memoir, he pointed to his speech during Asia's premier defense summit, the Shangri-La Dialogue, in June 2017, in which he expressed concerns over China's growing power, as the public start date of the current icy age between Australia and China.

A few months later at a conference in Melbourne, attending Australian politicians, academics and former government officials raised concerns that the country's lack of an independent foreign policy from its conventional US-centric approach had undermined its own national interests.

Rational Australian experts are right in saying that Canberra's policy toward Beijing is ragged. But the question is how to save it. Australian politicians should realize that their country's security arrangements with the US and their adaptation of a rising China are not a zero-sum game.

Some Australian media have been quick to point out that China's latest Beef and Barley import suspension is revenge for an Australia-initiated inquiry into COVID-19 and called it "economic coercion."

But it is not. It is justice.

Trent Zimmerman is currying favour with Chinese in anticipation of their takeover of Australia. Zimmerman is what is described as a "moderate" Liberal, which really means he is on the same plane as the Greens and other ultra-Leftists: the sort of candidate that the modern, left-leaning LNP puts up in hippy electorates because they are desperate to win elections by any means. Zimmerman is also unaware that he won't be thanked by the Chinese, who are arch-racists, and have been for three thousand years; they invented it.

And speaking of 'that hegemon" - the USA - hegemony is another thing invented by the Chinese. They have alway seen themselves being at the centre of the world, and they simply want to replace the US - first in the region, then in the world. How dare a Chinese person deride hegemony when his race is a master of it! But that's the way they work: deceitfully. It is a thing of pride to dupe foreigners by saying one thing and doing another.

I note that Mr.Chek chucks in the 'Great Humiliation' that is drummed into children from pre-school age.

Never forget: China is the enemy even if it is the fault of our greedy, stupid politicians and business barons for surrendering to them. China is just doing what it has always done, and will always do. We did not have to sell our soul to China as we have done for simple greed.

They've got us now. All that talk about reindustrialising and self reliance is just that - talk. As the China virus fades into history, greedy, lazy Australians are not going to give up 'cheap stuff' and their big wages. Even if the goods are rubbish, they are cheap enough to replace regularly. And, who wants to be called a racist, even if you know you should be speaking up against the creation of Sinostralia

Patent propaganda writ large! And that's the polite term. Sort of like trying to put out a fire by throwing petrol on it?
Alan B.

Come on ttbn

You're just a Hanson huggin, One Nation luvin, anti-Chinese RACIST.

Here ya go ttbn - Your leader http://youtu.be/3HSxXCwBgog . She doesn't "tlike" Asians.

Australia has tried to collude with the US, which has damaged China-Australia ties.

The US has been pressuring Australia, which seriously affects Australia's diplomatic independence. Former Australian PM Paul Keating already called for a "more independent, balanced foreign policy" after Trump was elected as US president.

In addition to US manipulation, the deterioration of China-Australia relations has been triggered by the rising trend of Trump Twerpism in our land.

Many Australian media outlets have helped hype China-Australia disputes. Australian-born American media mogul Rupert Murdoch has controlled a large portion of Australia's print media and cable TV news, which to some extent helped the US further jeopardize China-Australia ties.

In fact, Australia has already chosen a side between China and the US as China-US competition is intensifying. During the Trump Dump era, Australia has decided to follow US geopolitical strategies toward China.

Trump Dumpsters, a group of Australian right-wing politicians who speak out against China, may also collude with Murdoch's Muppets.

Many Australian business people and industries are still dependent on their interests in China. Therefore it is unlikely that Australia will decouple from China.

No country in the Asia-Pacific region has actually threatened Australia's security since Japan in WWII. China is even less likely to threaten Australia since the two countries built a strong comprehensive strategic partnership in 2014.

International education is Australia's fourth-largest foreign exchange earner, according to reports. There may be an economic impact on Australia after China's education authorities warned current and prospective Chinese students about to study in Australia.

Chinese authorities warned Chinese students to beware of anti-Chinese RACISM.

Of the type spouted by ttbn.

Hey ttbn.

China artificially created a entirely new virus which is 80% SARS- 2, and the rest a mixture of HIV and Malaria. It then let it escape from one of it's two sub standard level 4 virology institutes in Wuhan. It then deliberately and with malice allowed it to be transmitted to the rest of the world and has killed 330,000 innocent people so far. But who's side is plantagenet on? China's of course. Maybe Plantagenet got educated in Peking university and is a member of the PLA?

The Chinese have studied Hannibal and they know that the only way they can defeat the USA is through asymmetric warfare, and that means attacking the allies of the new Rome. That means Australia. The CCP must shake their heads in wonder at how stupid "Australians" like plantagenet are if they can't recognise a fascist regime like the CCP which is bent on world domination. If Plantagenet is European, his grandparents were probably Appeasers of Hitler and responsible for the western grovelling to Hitler at Munich.

As for "decoupling" from China, I for one won't buy anything "Made in China" unless I absolutely have to. When it comes to a trade war begun by aggressive fascists, two can play at that game. And when millions of western consumers do exactly the same thing that I do, THAT will hurt the Chinese fascists enough to make them think twice.

I think we should rename plantagenet "Pig Iron Plantagenet."

Anyhoo, the biggest mistake China has made is not just the CCP virus, it has managed through it's bullying and aggressive behaviour to pisss off almost everybody in the entire world, with the sole exception of plantagenet. There is hardly a country that China has not had a serious issue with and which it has ham fistedly retaliated withusing threats and embargoes.

If plantagenet is not a Chinese agent or a troll stirring things up, then his IQ obviously came from the shallow end of the gene pool

Dearest LEGOland

That you hold me akin to Australia's greatest CONSERVATIVE Prime Minister

"Pig Iron Bob" Menzies, is the greatest accolade sir. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Dalfram_dispute#%22Pig_Iron_Bob%22_nickname

Bob was named as such by Australia's LEFTWING union movement, who must be your bum-chum buddies.

Ironical or what?!

Settle down Children. THere's plenty of room in the sandpit and Johnny give, Wun Hung Low, back his Tonka dump truck. There, there, poor little ikle diddums.

Did the little Aussie blame you for the lump of shite in the sandpit? What's that? You've soiled your undies? Well, that sort of suggests the origin of the lump of shite in the sandpit.

Oh, you were just passing wind and some of it had lumps in it? And Johnny objected? How terribly unfriendly of Johnny. His mother will be so cross?

And put a lump of raw steak on that eye. It is said to help reduce the swelling. You'll soon be all white again. All White?
Alan B.

LEGO,

Pete used to be an extra in Monty Python.

On China, I think that our biggest worry with that country is our own politicians, some of whom are saying we need China, be nice to China or we'll ('we' being the politicians and their mining mates) lose money; the others are saying nothing. The most useless of them is the bloke who is supposed to be leading the country. Did you happen to see him on the news last night? In replying to the usual bullshite from Adam Bandt, he said that all deaths in custody, PARTICULARLY Aboriginal deaths are a worry. The 'PARTICULARLY' shows what a gutless sell-out Morrison is. Instead of slapping Bandt down and advising the idiot that more white people die in jail than black ones, he capitulated. What a gutless wus!. How do you rate him as a defender of anything but his own huge salary?

According to an article on the web - "last
year Chinese students and tourists collectively
brought in more than $18 billion to Australia,
boosting government coffers and propping up countless
job".

That's a heck of a lot and the prospect of this revenue
slowly draining away - must be a frightening one for
our government.

However, as we can see Australia's relationship with its
largest trading partner is now mixed in mutual
suspicion and some would say - outright hostility.

Politicians believed that China would very gradually -
liberalise.
They were wrong. It appears to be becoming more aggressive.

Australia's needs to build up relationships with other
powers - whose trajectories will shape our region's
future. India comes to mind. And of course we should
also retain all of our allies - the US, UK, Canada,
New Zealand, et al.

Our Prime Minister put it so well when he pointed out that
we are a trading nation, but that we should never trade our
values in response to coercion from whenever it comes.

As for anti-Chinese sentiments being expressed in this
country. That is wrong. Blaming people who have been
part and parcel of this country for decades. People
of any ethnic group - is and should not be - acceptable
behaviour. And needs to be called out.

We are all part of the human race, and none of us are
perfect or superior - contrary to what some of us may
believe.

I live in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne which holds
a large Chinese population. They have raised the bar in
our local high schools, our shopping centres and in
our residential and commercial developments. Including
the prices of our homes. Our medical facilities, and aged
care and retirement homes,
have Chinese professionals on the staff
who are very caring and efficient. We couldn't be happier.

We wouldn't live any where else.

Another thought.

Looking back in the days when we were a manufacturing
country and producing what we needed - seems like
only yesterday. And it's all gone down the gurgler
and are we the better for it?

Perhaps, we should seriously look at our future and
do something about it. Buying cheaper products from
overseas - is not always a better option.

Here's an interesting headline posted on ABC News 30 minutes ago http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-13/australian-man-sentenced-to-death-in-china-for-drug-smuggling/12352374

"AUSTRALIAN MAN SENTENCED TO DEATH IN CHINA SMUGGLING METH IN CHECKED FLIGHT LUGGAGE"

"A Chinese court has sentenced an Australian man to death for drug smuggling.

According to its website, the Guangzhou Intermediate People's Court said the man's sentence was delivered on June 10.

The ABC understands the man was arrested at Guangzhou Baiyun Airport, north-west of Hong Kong, in December 2013 with more than 7.5 kilograms of methamphetamine in his checked luggage.

The ABC has contacted the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Guangzhou Intermediate People's Court for comment.

More to come."
______________________________________-

Would it matter to the One Nation types on this thread if the "Australian man" was ethnic Chinese or Caucasian?

To the ABC "Australian man" or "Aussie" could be anyone who has spent ten minutes in Australia. Whoever this drug smuggler is, he is getting what he deserves.Nobody should be concerned about his ethnicity or his death sentence.

This case has been reported in several newspapers.

It seems that the man's name is Cam Gillespie and
I suspect he's been in Australia for more that a
few minutes as some have suggested.

There's also another bloke who's been arrested (in 2015)
Peter Gardner - who got caught out with his then girlfriend
Kalynda Davis, with 30kg of meth (ice) worth $20 million.

Both mean have death sentences hanging over their heads.

12 letter
Three words
Hard to explain
Harder to do
GREED - CAN - KILL!

To Plantagenet. If you are not a Chinese or a Muslim, are you simply a reporter for the CCP's rag, "The Global Times?" Or are you just a sellout getting his kids education payed for by the CCP, like Labour's Sam Dastyari,? Or, walking to the bank with an ALDI shopping bag full of cash like Labour Party notary, Jamie Clements?

And as for the "Australian" who is going to be executed in China for smuggling methamphetamines, if he is guilty, (a big "if") then I could not care what skin colour he has. I would even congratulate the CCP for helping China/Australia relations, and doing Australia and the entire world a favour.

I don't regard Bob Menzies as anything other than a opportunistic, hypocrite. At the start of WW1, Bob resigned his commission in the army, which led one wit to say that his "military ambitions were cut short by the outbreak of war." And this was the guy who wanted to conscript me to fight in Vietnam?

To Foxy.

Your last posts were a contradiction. You say you live in a Chinese area, and it is so good that you would not live anywhere else? I take that to mean that you prefer Chinese populated areas to any place near Apex Street, Dandenong? Careful Foxy, your racist slip is showing. Since you are an arch anti racist, you should love the idea of living in a suburb full of those wonderful, intelligent, and law abiding Sudanese. And I hear homes are becoming cheaper all the time in Dandenong, as your fellow white Australians who already live there don't seem to see Sudanese immigration with your rose coloured glasses. They are selling their homes to get as far away from the wonderful African multiculturalism you so whole heartedly seek to inflict on your fellow Australians.

I will guarantee that the white Australian refugees fleeing Dandenong do not share your liberal opinion that Black Lives Matter.

If the Chinese want to play hard ball, who will stop them?

Australia has an economy dependent on Chinese trade for its success.
So it's pretty obvious, appeasing Chinese by whatever means, will be the flavour of the month.

But a more subtle global manufacturing shift since Trump election has seen this shift in manufacturing appear more obvious with innovations such as the Japanese Tohatsu marine motors division, move manufacturing to the US as one example.
The Japanese are as reliant on Chinese manufacturing as any in the West.

I suspect we will see more agitation from North Korea towards South Korea in an attempt to add insecurity to its manufacturing base becoming a useful alternative.
One plus for a US revitalised manufacturing base. Maybe the US is relishing the insecurity, while at the same time capitalising on it.

In the short term, it's difficult to see China not screwing the Wests dependence on its manufactured products, which cover the whole gambit of goods, including vehicle spare parts. It could be a great time to be a car salesman as these parts dry up, forcing consumers into more expensive product alternatives made in the West.
In the long run a destabilising of trade can only be good.

Appeasement from here on, will be driven by desperation, a step back to Chamberlains1939 it will be, as politicians try to avoid the obvious questions, while we pay the price they won't!

Dan

Foxy.

Our manufacturing was all but forced to relocate to China and elsewhere when the energy bill exceeded the wages bill!

Every western-style economy rests solely on just two support pillars, energy and capital. The former, never cheaper the latter never dearer.

Thus we are mired in exponentially expanding, record domestic and foreign debt.

All while the former discretionary spending essential for a healthy domestic economy and domestic manufacturing, has been gobbled by energy costs that cascade up through the goods and services, delivery chain.

And has contributed to the cost of increasingly unaffordable housing and rents.

Which in their turn has put upward pressure on wages, albeit, stagnated of late?

In order to reverse these insane trends, we need to quite drastically lower the cost of energy!

And our children and their children will thank us if in addition it is also carbon-free and comes with the lowest fatality per Gigawatt hours, of any energy source, even renewables!

And that energy ks nuclear energy!

However, there are two types of nuclear power and the one I espouse is unconventional, MSR thorium!

Because it can and has demonstrably shown, Yom be safer than coal or gas, cheaper than those two and reliable dispatchable walk away safe cheaper than coal or gas energy.

And produces little or no nuclear waste. But instead a far less toxic product as a 1-3% as so-called waste, that is eminently suitable as long life space batteries. That burn up with reentry.

Also one of the virtually free byproducts of nuclear decay inside MSR thorium is, miracle cancer cure bismuth 213. Bismuth 213 was successfully trialled in some European clinics during 2006 on ovarian cancer with little significant adage to healthy tissue and in treatments that last only hours and doable in day clinic settings.

And if rolled out here, able to support a million-plus annual outback medical tourism enterprises. Along with a huge inflow of (15-16 annual billions) medical tourist dollars.

Fast trains, i.e., VLT would become vastly more profitable if the energy source was MSR thorium SMR's
Alan B.

Giday LEGO

I see your last comment was "Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 14 June 2020 4:50:13 AM"

"4:50:13 AM" Eastern Australian time! Just happens to be a more comfortable 2.50 in the afternoon US Eastern time...

Either you are:

1. Worried and can't sleep

or

2. You're a US based American propagandist stirring up hatred in the Australian community.

Which are you?

Wakey Wakey LEGO

Its only 10:05 at night in Alabama.

You haven't gone to bedyBISE already?!

LEGO,

Your insecurities are loud.

Dear Alan B.,

I'm not an energy expertise and Thank You for your
comments. All in all, I guess Australia has a coupla of
options regarding our energy future.

1) We can continue to have energy price increases and
still be reliant on fossil fuels for our electricity
generation. In the meantime many of our trading
partners would probably have switched to their own,
probably lower emission energy souces collapsing the
market for our energy exports.

Or -

2) Our households and industry can embrace a diverse mix of
new, cleaner energy technologies.

The challenge for our country is to choose the future that
we want and try to work out the best way to get there.
Continuing to do what we've been doing - is not going
to continue to work.

With our scientific organisations like CSIRO - hopefully we
can unlock value from our country's unmatched energy
resources in a way that's responsible and environmentally
sustainable, as well as building a cost competitive,
lower emissions domestic energy sector.

Foxy,

You said above: "Every western-style economy rests solely on just two support pillars, energy and capital."

Actually three. You forgot to include greed.

Mr O,

It was Alan B., who said that not me.

And I covered greed in my earlier post.

Oh "xenophobia check" Chek Ling...heard of the Han & Uhigurs or maybe the annexation of a few kilometres of Indian border country ? Convenient truths evident here on the OLO pages, but like the Electronic Whorehouses world wide, no real truth of any substance. Move along...nothing to see here.