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Battle brewing over AGL's plans to turn Westernport into a gas factory : Comments

By Victor Komarovsky, published 28/5/2020

In Victoria's Westernport Bay, a battle has ignited over energy corporation AGL's plans to build a massive new gas import terminal at Crib Point.

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I expect economics to kill this one off, for two reasons: firstly, gas prices are no longer at the crazy levels they were a year ago, and are unlikely to return to those levels. Secondly, importing gas doesn't make sense when (eastern) Australia is such a big exporter of gas. A far more efficient solution is to pay some of the buyers (of the gas we're contracted to export) to import their gas from elsewhere.

But while it's moot, the concerns over this do seem overblown. Surely a floating gas terminal would be in seawater deep enough to float in, rather than on part of the RAMSAR wetland?

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Alan B.,
>Every Australian family produces enough biological waste, when converted to methane
>in a biodigester, two-tank ( locally invented) system to power their domiciles, 24/7!
Evidence?

>We'll need huge local steel production to fit and retrofit this smell free closed cycle,
>gas production system to every household, progressively!
That suggests that it would be very uneconomic to produce. Why not just build a few big ones at the sewage works instead, to deliver economies of scale?

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Hasbeen,
That "perfectly good" power station was ultimately closed for commercial reasons: it was uneconomic to run. And that's not including the external cost of the health effects of the smoke it produced, let alone the environmental cost of the CO2.

Victoria has pumped storage, so those intermittent renewables will never be useless, however much you want them to be!
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 28 May 2020 3:54:25 PM
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it's about time all Australia STAND UP - Against this Andrew's Government.

Australians want jobs.

All Australians need to contact ALL their mp's in ensuring the Belt and Road project does not proceed.

If this Belt and Road Project (China deal) was so instrumental for Australia business - why hasn't all aspects of such deal be revealed?

Any country under "belt and road project" - if said country defaults on it repayments, China then come in to own such Assets.

Seriously - does Australia really want to go down this track.

Try researching what the Belt and Road did to Sri Lanka who fell into their trap.

This is not what our Australians fought and lost their lives for during World 1 an 2 including our Vietnam veterans - and open and freedom of speech and democracy in Australia.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 30 May 2020 6:28:00 PM
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JBowyer says there aren't whales in Western Port.
Not sure where he/she lived when here but I can assure you we get whales into the bay. Not just whales either but there are a few records of orca (killer whales) too. Dolphins are around regularly.
To accuse Save Westernport and Environment Victoria of lying without first checking facts is sloppy and below the belt.
I would suggest that next time JBowyer is inclined to call someone a liar that a very quick google might avert embarrassment that a one time resident didn't even know we have whale visitations right up the channel to Stony Point and Crib Point jetties (where AGL proposes to put a floating gas import terminal) and beyond.
JBowyer - I'm most happy to provide more info as required but the Two Bays Whale Project run by the Dolphin Research Institute probably will suffice.
We've been fortunate to have record numbers of whale sightings these past years. I wonder if it has anything to do with the regeneration of Western Port bay since the heavy industry days of the 1970s and 80s. Much work has been done to restore mangroves, seagrass and reduce chemical run off and silting.
Posted by LouP, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 1:15:49 PM
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I never in my lifetime thought that any State in Australia would sign up to a "belt and road project".

How stupid are we and all Australian taxpayers.

Jobs by/for Australian industries should receive priority over all/any other foreign influence.

So my question being (as all Australians should be asking) -

1. Daniel Andrews you signed a Belt and Road agreement.

2. What import does this have to Australia and to Australian Security, as to jobs and economy?

3. What part of the Belt and Road Agreement are you exposing Australian Security and prosperity to?

4. Daniel Andrews - Why are the terms and agreements to which you signed up to - not available to the Australian public for scrutiny.

5. Why hasn't the Government/five eyes/or any or Government Agency stepped in to stop this.

Seriously - does anyone in Australian Government "have balls"?

We as taxpayers across the Nation of Australia deserve much better.

Who are we then?
Posted by SAINTS, Thursday, 4 June 2020 3:40:22 AM
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I suspect that what will happen is something like this;
A ship loaded with cheap under contract gas sails from Gladstone but
once beyond Australian waters its cargo is sold at an expensive price
to a Victorian company and the ship changes course to Western Port Bay
to discharge its cargo.
I wonder who will have arranged that ?
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 4 June 2020 9:58:01 AM
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Bazz

Seriously, as far as China's effects being either "trade" or "Invade".

They have already displayed their position -

Corona virus - Australia asked for an "independent" enquiry into the origins of same.

Which would be a sensible request for Australians via their Government, included by many other nations.

Of course China says - this is disrespectful.

Australians residents say - if a plane crashed in any part of the World, with Australians onboard, there would be an "international" response, Australia's response would be to assist any international investigation.

So what's the problem China - the Government of Australia (and the World) is asking for an independent enquiry into the origins of this virus origins in Wuhan - which has decimated the world's economy.

Or are they playing "political games"?
Posted by SAINTS, Friday, 5 June 2020 9:48:00 PM
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