Good luck with a gas factory suggestion.

The environmentalist NIMBYs of the leftwing Victorian chatteratti will fight it longtime.

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Jobs for the workers?

What is the Chinese government's attitude to gas development ?

I lived local to Westernport Bay and I never heard of any whales in Westernport, So why lie about something like this? Put's into question everything else said.
These nimbey nutters will probably win unless Chinese money comes up and then little Danny Andrews will do his masters bidding.
Victoria dosen't need jobs it needs labour voters, you ask our premier.

God only knows is going on there? But bound to be a bad outcome and far, far worse than the sale of a Darwin port as the premier, on his own recognisance, signs the state up to, China's belt and road initiative? And now looks like a (God, what have I done) rabbit paralysed in the headlight glare?

With the light at the end of the tunnel a steaming oriental express thundering in his (Victoria's) direction!

Gas is it?

Every Australian family produces enough biological waste, when converted to methane in a biodigester, two-tank ( locally invented) system to power their domiciles, 24/7!

With a salable surplus if all food scraps and wastage are added!

That saleable surplus goes up beyond 50% if that gas is scrubbed then stored in a bladder and fed into ceramic fuel cells, on-demand!

Furthermore, because we can never ever run out of biodegradable human or any other biological waste!

Can never ever run out of this endlessly sustainable, natural gas! And consequential power prices less than a quarter than now!

The byproducts include endless free hot water, thoroughly sanitised reusable nutrient-loaded water and also thoroughly sanitised, carbon-rich, soil improver an in millions of tons annually, for both the latter two.

We'll need huge local steel production to fit and retrofit this smell free closed cycle, gas production system to every household, progressively!

And able to be funded via an averaged power bill (substitution) repayment plan, over say the next thirty or so years and covered by, self-terminating, government-guaranteed, tax-free, infrastructure development bonds!

So, as you see, it can't be done! Understand yet genius?
Alan B.

Oh god!

Victorians like having electricity but like the cargo cultist of the Solomon islands they just want it to drop from heaven, with no dirty generation in their state.

First they stood idly by & let, or even cheered as their premier bought a few green votes & preferences by blowing up a perfectly good power station that supplied much of their electricity. Meanwhile they have let the same mob spend a fortune on buying windmills & solar panels to attempt to replace some of that power.

They have happily let the same mob again ban gas exploration, & new gas extraction, letting them get away with whinging that other peoples gas should be sold to them cheap.

Now with basically useless intermittent, unreliable power from said windmills & solar generation they need much reliable, quick start gas generation to keep the lights on when wind doesn't blow at night or other times when solar doesn't work. As the existing local gas runs out they need more gas, locally sourced or imported.

As no one in their right mind would be interested in exploring for new gas in a ratbag governed state like Victoria, where even if you find it a ratbag government may not let you harvest it. AGL want to import the gas for their generators, & control that gas flow.

Now I don't think AGL are interested in anything but their profit margins, most definitely are not doing this for the benefit of Victorians in general, but we must ask Mr. Victor Komarovsky if he wants the lights to work, because if he does gas must come in somewhere. The name Westernport infers this is considered a port area, so suitable for port development. If not why not, despite a few objectors. You'll get them everywhere.

Perhaps these objectors should have done something with their voting, before a ratbag government got them to this no win situation.

Not to worry Hasbeen, my son lives in Victoria-shu and if it all goes
wrong I will have to get a visa from Beijing for my passport.

The Mexicans are known for having a thin skin so they will have to
get used to more of this.

I expect economics to kill this one off, for two reasons: firstly, gas prices are no longer at the crazy levels they were a year ago, and are unlikely to return to those levels. Secondly, importing gas doesn't make sense when (eastern) Australia is such a big exporter of gas. A far more efficient solution is to pay some of the buyers (of the gas we're contracted to export) to import their gas from elsewhere.

But while it's moot, the concerns over this do seem overblown. Surely a floating gas terminal would be in seawater deep enough to float in, rather than on part of the RAMSAR wetland?

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Alan B.,
>Every Australian family produces enough biological waste, when converted to methane
>in a biodigester, two-tank ( locally invented) system to power their domiciles, 24/7!
Evidence?

>We'll need huge local steel production to fit and retrofit this smell free closed cycle,
>gas production system to every household, progressively!
That suggests that it would be very uneconomic to produce. Why not just build a few big ones at the sewage works instead, to deliver economies of scale?

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Hasbeen,
That "perfectly good" power station was ultimately closed for commercial reasons: it was uneconomic to run. And that's not including the external cost of the health effects of the smoke it produced, let alone the environmental cost of the CO2.

Victoria has pumped storage, so those intermittent renewables will never be useless, however much you want them to be!

it's about time all Australia STAND UP - Against this Andrew's Government.

Australians want jobs.

All Australians need to contact ALL their mp's in ensuring the Belt and Road project does not proceed.

If this Belt and Road Project (China deal) was so instrumental for Australia business - why hasn't all aspects of such deal be revealed?

Any country under "belt and road project" - if said country defaults on it repayments, China then come in to own such Assets.

Seriously - does Australia really want to go down this track.

Try researching what the Belt and Road did to Sri Lanka who fell into their trap.

This is not what our Australians fought and lost their lives for during World 1 an 2 including our Vietnam veterans - and open and freedom of speech and democracy in Australia.

JBowyer says there aren't whales in Western Port.
Not sure where he/she lived when here but I can assure you we get whales into the bay. Not just whales either but there are a few records of orca (killer whales) too. Dolphins are around regularly.
To accuse Save Westernport and Environment Victoria of lying without first checking facts is sloppy and below the belt.
I would suggest that next time JBowyer is inclined to call someone a liar that a very quick google might avert embarrassment that a one time resident didn't even know we have whale visitations right up the channel to Stony Point and Crib Point jetties (where AGL proposes to put a floating gas import terminal) and beyond.
JBowyer - I'm most happy to provide more info as required but the Two Bays Whale Project run by the Dolphin Research Institute probably will suffice.
We've been fortunate to have record numbers of whale sightings these past years. I wonder if it has anything to do with the regeneration of Western Port bay since the heavy industry days of the 1970s and 80s. Much work has been done to restore mangroves, seagrass and reduce chemical run off and silting.

I never in my lifetime thought that any State in Australia would sign up to a "belt and road project".

How stupid are we and all Australian taxpayers.

Jobs by/for Australian industries should receive priority over all/any other foreign influence.

So my question being (as all Australians should be asking) -

1. Daniel Andrews you signed a Belt and Road agreement.

2. What import does this have to Australia and to Australian Security, as to jobs and economy?

3. What part of the Belt and Road Agreement are you exposing Australian Security and prosperity to?

4. Daniel Andrews - Why are the terms and agreements to which you signed up to - not available to the Australian public for scrutiny.

5. Why hasn't the Government/five eyes/or any or Government Agency stepped in to stop this.

Seriously - does anyone in Australian Government "have balls"?

We as taxpayers across the Nation of Australia deserve much better.

Who are we then?

I suspect that what will happen is something like this;
A ship loaded with cheap under contract gas sails from Gladstone but
once beyond Australian waters its cargo is sold at an expensive price
to a Victorian company and the ship changes course to Western Port Bay
to discharge its cargo.
I wonder who will have arranged that ?

Bazz

Seriously, as far as China's effects being either "trade" or "Invade".

They have already displayed their position -

Corona virus - Australia asked for an "independent" enquiry into the origins of same.

Which would be a sensible request for Australians via their Government, included by many other nations.

Of course China says - this is disrespectful.

Australians residents say - if a plane crashed in any part of the World, with Australians onboard, there would be an "international" response, Australia's response would be to assist any international investigation.

So what's the problem China - the Government of Australia (and the World) is asking for an independent enquiry into the origins of this virus origins in Wuhan - which has decimated the world's economy.

Or are they playing "political games"?