How can suicides be predicted? There is even a range of 750-1500. Are they using ‘models’, those things that have been hopelessly wrong on climate change and the effects of the China virus? We don’t even know who is making these predictions. Hope it’s not Suicide Prevention Australia - in business for 25 years, but not doing much good, apparently.

If people are intent on killing themselves, there is nothing to be done about it. The only people ‘prevented’ from suiciding are those who never really intended to do it in the first place - the ones crying for help, or the extreme exhibitionists.

We really need to stop poking our noses into other people’s lives.

Get used to death. Doesn't much matter how it comes.

Dan

Dan,

Well, don't a lot of us think that as long as we're alive :)

But ......

Joe

Negative thought about anything or worse possible scenarios needs to be countered with more positive thoughts. Almost as if there where two entities in your mind, bad cop and good cop.

You need to be the good cop that is always arguing for the positive outcome/impossible dreams that come true.

Accept in life not all dreams can come true, although some can and do!

Around 4.5 years ago, had a massive haemorrhagic stroke that should have killed me. C.A.T. scans revealed the damage/an inoperable tumour, confirmed by M.R.I. in the basal ganglia.

I've been single again for 3.5 decades, as a result of 5 spinal fractures

Completely alone for 2 decades, with not even an animal companion for most of those last two decades.

I spent 8 years fighting for my compensation package, halved because it seems they believed I had a preexisting injury.

Albeit, everyone who knows me will tell you I was no passager but pulled more than my weight/the go-to man when the workload got too big for the other, younger, team members!

Isolation loneliness is tough! As is the annual death toll from brain cancer, which even after thirty years, still exceeds the annual road toll!

Not assisted by wimps who think a couple of weeks is doing hard time!

Average life expectancy for brain cancer is just 14 months, with less than 2% making it past five years.

Yes, inoperable brain cancer doesn't have to be a death sentence, but may be treatable with alpha particle isotope, bismuth 213!

Which as reported from man orthodox clinics, is attached to an antibody that then targets just the cancer, leaving the healthy tissues mostly undamaged.

You were in parliament, where were you when this came on your desk? You could have argued for sanity, a transition to nuclear power, i.e., MSR thorium, the precursor of bismuth 213!

Maybe you/every other sad sack out there feeling sorry for themselves could realise there are worse things!? Start campaigning to get Alan B. some bismuth 213 for Christmas, here or over there?
Alan B.

Dan. Life always ends with death. It's a one-way destination for all of us! Not even all the gold in the world can buy a minute longer than the predetermined allotted time. And that time is a precious gift! We can choose to use for either good or evil purposes.

That said, we Irish have a saying. Life wasn't meant to be taken too seriously! After all, none of us get out of it alive.

Take care and stay safe! And always look on the bright side of life!
Alan B

Thanks Alan, made my day :)

Cheers,

Joe

There are only two circumstances in which we should be releasing restrictions and starting to mingle in open groups:

1. There is a readily available vaccine to prevent us from catching the Wuhan virus, or

2. There are no reported infections in the community over a period of at least 8 weeks.

I'll be staying inside my bubble but I have no objections about sending out guinea pigs to test the waters just as long as I'm not among them.

Speaking to an paramedic friend of mine he says his workload has dropped right away. Attempted suicides way down, car accidents way down, sporting injuries and deaths way down, assaults way down.

I have a sneaking suspicion we will experience lower suicide rates for 2020 than for the year before.

I have spoken to many people who are now working from home. They are enjoying it, expecially the increased contact with family.

Wartime suicide rates paradoxically decrease. The best thing our leaders could be doing is promoting the message that we are all in this together and everyone's efforts are have made a real difference.

I know to this author that effort as a collective is an anathema but if his thinking was prevelent then we may well see rates increasing. Thankfully he does not have a wide platform to dispense his message.

The male suicide rate has nearly doubled since the family violence amendments to the family law Act
In 2010: Male 10.5/100,000
Female 5.3/100,000

In 2018: Male 18.7/100,000
Female 5.8/100,000

What is not available in the Australian statistics is the number of divorced male suicides.

Dr. Kposowa 2003 showed that divorced men were nine times more likely to die by suicide. This 9-to-1 ratio dwarves the 3.5-to-1 male "advantage" we typically see in suicide deaths.

Dr. Kposowa suggested that society has undervalued the strength of paternal-child bonds, and thus underestimated the traumatic effect of severing those bonds through typical custody arrangements.

“The sharp increase in male suicide is largely custody-related… while social, psychological, and even personal problems facing women are readily denounced, societal institutions tend to ignore or minimise male problems as evident in suicide statistics.

Men are far more likely to be subjected to DVO abuse , pauperised, criminalized, incarcerated with the consequence that they are banned from the professions & government, denied employment, and subjected to lawfare & reduced to child support servitude which all contribute to hopelessness and despair. False allegations are made without consequence or evidence

“to deposit someone within the family court system is tantamount to a slow motion assassination or torture chamber, wherein that targeted individual is slowly, methodically, and painfully destroyed over many years, sometimes decades, subjected over and over to repeated fear, bankruptcy, incarceration or detention, for crimes/transgressions that did not even exist before the family court even got involved.”

This is the result of the prevailing ideological (Duluth) model of family violence, which is based on the false, unscientific, unjust, and blatantly offensive premise that men are innately violent and abusive toward women, making all women victims of men.

The Duluth model is compete bunkum, a scam on the order of Bernie Madoff, to take the money and power of the government and place it firmly in the hands of feminists. This is our family law system.

Gillard's family violence amendments - "the Hate Men" laws - need to be repealed and replaced by a presumption of equal shared care

Thanks for the article. It's a thought I had once I saw the nature of the lockdown, industry and employment losses, especially coming off the backs of extreme drought and bushfire conditions. Rural Health data has routinely found the suicides in middle aged farmers is associated with a poor social network and financial stress. Suicides rise during drought as many farmers become stranded in inactivity, powerlessness, stock, productivity losses and the threat of loosing the farm, and social isolation. A lot of suicides are preventable however the prevention strategies lie in social empowerment strategies and these don't exist within the mental health framework. Nor should they. They would exist more properly in a community development framework and would require devoted long term budgets at local government levels.
Community development strategy is linked to democracy development strategy. Health of all kinds are primarily a function of our community network (and that is considering community in all its forms). The more powerful the community network in supporting the participation and well-being of its members, directly or indirectly, the more healthy a person will be. Powerful community networks are a function of leadership. Networks don't exist magically. The best geographical social networks have purposeful community leaders. Examples are the CWA, Service Clubs, Sport Clubs, Churches. However due to the nature of these networks, there are people (mainly men) who fall outside the social network. Male farmers are particularly susceptible to being without a social network even as they work with other farmers and the industry in the growing and marketing of their produce.
It may well be that the enhancement of purposeful social connectivity during the COVID-19 pandemic, may, as one commentor suggested, actually connect with those who would be otherwise forgotten. That would be a fantastic outcome and would be further evidence of the real-life community structures that should be in place for us to have the life that works for us all.

Howard.

I think you miss the point.
I think men should be capable of coping with the rough end of the pineapple.

Women should and too often need to be protected from their " wrong choice" of male.

It's totally unacceptable to level any type of violence towards a femal, whatever the reason.

Dan

Misopinionated,

"There are only two circumstances in which we should be releasing restrictions and starting to mingle in open groups:

1. There is a readily available vaccine to prevent us from catching the Wuhan virus, or

2. There are no reported infections in the community over a period of at least 8 weeks."

As my son might say, "No sh!t, Sherlock !"

No. 1 is out for a year or more. There might be argument over No. 2's time-frame: 8 weeks might be necessary if incubation periods are longer than assumed, which seems to be around two or three weeks. But every extra week is costing billions to our economy, so much thought would have to go into this: probably lifting restrictions region by region, after a couple of weeks of no new cases, then state by state, and eventually over the whole country, in order to link up economically with NZ.

Of course, this all might be academic in relation to the US, where lock-downs have barely ever been properly enforced, and thus the entire prevention process hasn't yet got off the ground - at the same time as the Half-Wit-in-Charge wants to lift all restrictions in order to boost his re-election chances, hang the consequences.

My bet is for the numbers of cases in the US to rise dramatically in the US in a couple of weeks, and deaths in about a month - and for those numbers to keep rising, to new horrifically-high Curves. Horrifically-high numbers of innocent people, Americans, dying.

Joe

gender and identity politics will always lead to more death. Unfortunately seen that people know that the left are useless economically and deceitful with the environment identity and gender politics is all they have left.

re: diver dan, Monday, 18 May 2020 2:49:57 PM
"Howard.
I think you miss the point.
I think men should be capable of coping with the rough end of the pineapple."

No I think you have made my point.

and not everything, including male suicide, is violence against women. get some therapy

I agree with Dan. Violence toward the female is unacceptable and hugely counterproductive.

If you are going to lose it over a contest of ideas? Then take a walk or a cold shower. Get stuck into the punching bag big time, if that's what it takes!

Remember, one always catches more flies with a teaspoon of honey, than a whole jar of vinegar
Alan B.

LOUDmouth,

I put you poor comprehension skills down to the fact that you are not an Arts grad (and could never qualify to get into an Arts program either.)

If you were able to comprehend what I said above you would note that IT IS ALL ABOUT ME. I'm not putting myself at risk outside of those two circumstances. As far as you're concerned: well, you're just a guinea pig.

Re: Alan B., Monday, 18 May 2020 4:59:43 PM

Men are dying more so let’s focus on the plight of women.

Unfortunately, male feminists kneeling at the altar of grievance and oppression cause more misogyny than they eradicate

Cue crying women and asking "evil man" if he’s going to ruin Christmas. Excuse me whilst I puke at this white knight treacle.

Howard Beale,

The point your attempting to make is unmistakably persecution of males, which by your reckonings, results in disproportionate suicide among males.
The research you present as proof, is research from 2003 in the US.

Using this as evidence, you extrapolate out a consequence of injustice from family court
Judgements which you claim are prejudicially unbalanced towards women's rights, viz feminists dictates.

If you want to prove that point, (there may or may not be some truth there), then where is your relevant data?
I think you have plucked this conclusion from mid-air.

Dan

Destruction of men via outlawing male activity's been one of the states more successful endeavors. Right up there with elimination of affordable energy, the industrial economy, education, justice, property rights, freedom of speech, etc etc.

HB, agree "puke at this white knight treacle."

Re: diver dan, Monday, 18 May 2020 7:10:25 PM

The Kposowa 2003 research does not prove persecution of men. What it shows is that the suicide rate of divorced men is much higher than the normal suicide rates. In fact 9 times higher than women. Kposowa relates this to the traumatic effect of severing the parent-child bond.

This research has not been contradicted and neither do you challenge it save for age.

However, this can be easily dismissed by reason there can be no evolutionary change in species parent-child attachment bond in 17 years.

There is no equivalent research available in Australia. However, given the similarity of family law and VAWA imported here from the USA that research remains valid. One cannot credibly argue that fathers in Australia love their children less.

What has changed significantly is the outcomes in family court consequent of the unilateral family violence amendments in 2011.

These underhandedly repealed the weak shared parenting amendments of 2006. In fact, Austlii caselaw confirms there has not been one court ordered case of equal shared parenting since 2011.

The AIFS study confirms women receive primary custody in 85% of cases. Share parenting is rare. The father-child bond is being obliterated with the consequence that the male suicide rate has doubled since those amendments. There is no dispute about this doubling.

However, no one can supposedly figure out the reason.

Of course, it has nothing to do with the $5BN dollars put into the hands of radical feminists through the National Plan to Reduce Violence Against Women and THEIR Children and their relentless propaganda demonising “evil men”, or the male witchunts resulting in the mass criminalisation/incarceration/pauperisation of men for trivial offences such sending a text or looking angry or calling a women fat.

Perhaps that is the persecution you are referring to

'The Kposowa 2003 research does not prove persecution of men. What it shows is that the suicide rate of divorced men is much higher than the normal suicide rates. In fact 9 times higher than women. '

will never be reported on abc. Does not fit narrative.

Your totally wrong Jamo.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2018~Main%20Features~Intentional%20self-harm,%20key%20characteristics~3

Read these ABS statics for the truth of the matter. Mood disorders followed by substance abusers lead the pack of suiciders.

The Au rate of suicide is still far behind those South Korea.

Australia is experiencing an epidemic of drug use in its communities, which the drug ice predominates.
Suicide rates have increased because of that.

Dan

Trump egomaniacal delay in taking COVID-19 seriously led many who wanted to LIVE having no choice but to DIE.

That is Trump's inability to take expert medical advice up to March 31, 2020 that the threat was really serious. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-coronavirus-statements/ dated March 31, 2020

TRUMP SAID IN 2020:

“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” CNBC interview Jan. 22

“Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” New Hampshire rally Feb. 10

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” Twitter Feb. 24

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” News conference, Feb. 27

“I think the 3.4 percent [[confirmed] fatality rate] is really a false number.” Fox News interview, March 4

“Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.” Briefing with airline CEOs, March 4

“The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power ... to inflame the CoronaVirus situation.” Twitter, March 9

“We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” March 10

“We’re using the full power of the federal government to defeat the virus, and that’s what we’ve been doing.” News conference, March 14

“This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.” News conference, March 15

“We have an invisible enemy.” News conference, March 16

“I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” News conference, March 17

“I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning...” Twitter, March 18

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Trump is America's main problem with COVID-19 due to Trump's leadership delay. That is Trump's inability to take expert medical advice up to March 31, 2020 that the threat was really serious. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-coronavirus-statements/ dated March 31, 2020

TRUMP SAID IN 2020:

“America will again, and soon, be open for business — very soon — a lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. ... We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.” News conference, March 23

“I’d love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter.” Fox News interview, March 24

“We’re going to have a great victory.” News conference, March 30 [Adopting the rhetoric of war!]

“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals sometimes they’ll have two ventilators, and now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’” Fox News interview, March 26

“WE WILL WIN THIS WAR. [capitalized by Trump] When we achieve this victory, we will emerge stronger and more united than ever before!”
— Twitter, March 28

“Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won.” News conference, March 29

[On March 29, 2020] Anthony S. Fauci, one of the nation’s top infectious disease experts and a member of the White House’s coronavirus task force, warned that between 100,000 and 200,000 Americans could die and that millions would be infected. The president said on Sunday that the country would be doing well if it “can hold” the number of deaths “down to 100,000.”

COMMENT

Even though America has the world's most advanced, most expensive medical care more Americans have the disease and have died than in any other country. Many more Americans will die due to Trump's delays and minimisation of the COVID threat.

As at May 18 2020 US COVID:

- CASES 1,486,742

- DEATHS 89,564.

we know plantagenet, China, WHO and Cuomo did such a marvellous job with this virus. I am sure you are there biggest fans. Then again don't let facts get in the way of your TDS.

dd that only supports what I said.

Drug use is a symptom.
The need is to consider what's driving people to escape in drugs.
With only matriarchy approved activity allowed for men it's little wonder they're looking for a ways out.

To drive the hunter builder warrior explorer out of men is to destroy them. That's the war on men.

Giday runner

Your wrathfull "godliness" evokes the tortures of the rack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_(torture)

Here's holding up a mirror mate to your absence of "Christian tolerance" http://youtu.be/d9uHhLe6WE0

Correction @runner Rack http://history.howstuffworks.com/10-medieval-torture-devices3.htm

Cheers

The Deadly "Other Measure" of Gillard's "Hate Men" Family Violence Amendments 2011

Divorce/DV law has been politicised into the most devastating weapons of the feminist left. The objective is destroy patriarchy. The result is family court devastation and murder/suicide.

In 2011 the Gillard government guillotined unilateral family law amendments through the Senate to deliberately increase the divorce rate to “liberate” women from family into the workforce & manufacture unmarried left voters dependent on Big Brother protection & welfare .

To pay for the massive increases in single mother welfare the feminist left government imported the Bradley amendments for child support from the USA and disguised them here as “Other Measures” in the Family Law Legislation Amendment (Family Violence and Other Measures [to the Bankruptcy Act]) Act 2011

The US federal Bradley Amendment 1986 still shames the Senators associated. It takes us back to the cruel days of debtors’ prisons. It forbids an alleged “child-support” debt from being retroactively reduced or forgiven. The Bradley law denies bankruptcy protections, overrides all statutes of limitation, and forbids judicial consideration of obvious inability to pay.

The courts must enforce payment regardless of any change in a father’s income, whether he is out of a job, penniless and homeless, medically incapacitated, incarcerated (justly or unjustly), can't afford a lawyer to change assessment, sent to war, or never owed the money in the first place. He is forced to pay even if DNA proves he is not the father or he is never allowed to see his children.

When corporations can’t pay their debts, they can file for bankruptcy and pay off their debts for cents on the dollar, but McClellan’s amendments to the Bankruptcy Act means that a man can never get an alleged “child support” debt forgiven or reduced

Men end up being taxed at 75-80% as well as possibly lawfared every time she has the slightest hissy fit, or gets caught out or just because it’s Thursday. Just switch on The Machine and become both a victim and set for life.

Judges can jail people to make them pay so-called child support even when they have no money to pay. We hear reports that fathers allegedly owe $10 billion in child support. However, what is not mentioned is that 70 percent is owed by men who earn less than $10,000 a year or have no wage earnings at all, so the government bureaucracy is trying to get blood out of a stone.

The money that magically appears from jailed fathers actually comes from grandparents, new partners or family friends. Most Bradley-law victims never come to national attention because mainstream media toe the feminist propaganda line of denigrating men, especially fathers, using the epithet “deadbeat dads.”

A family court judge can ignore current income (or lack thereof) and instead calculate child support on past income or on imputed future income. Another perverse feature of the current system is that child-support payments have nothing whatsoever to do with whether the father is allowed to see his children, and there is no enforcement of his visitation rights.

This system is morally and constitutionally wrong and the Family Violence and Other Measures Bill is particularly evil. It was passed through an impotent Senate without scrutiny under guise of making minor changes and in the knowledge of the harm it had done in the USA and the fact that it was ineffective in producing child support revenue.

I will return to the issue of FALSE ALLEGATIONS

That's true, it is hard to dissuade people who would want to commit suicide as they are in a very dark place. But would losing a job and facing an unprecedented virus not cause someone to be suicidal when he wasn't? It is a possibility.