Wow, some of you are bereft of a few facts. The supposed 9/11 perpetrators we’re Saudi not Afghan. Tomes of scientific evidence clearly demonstrates the buildings were brought down primarily through controlled demolition. To deny this is to deny science. Box cutters and aluminium planes don’t bring down reinforced steel and concrete buildings.

As to Alan’s farcical suggestion, need anyone say more? Okay I will, perhaps if we left the graveyard of empires as this is all the Afghan’s want, they could get on with killing themselves and there’d be nothing more to worry about. At least them killing themselves would make most commenters happy it seems.

Additionally, had Britain and France not declared war (this in international law makes them both the aggressors) on Germany, perhaps those 100,000 French citizens might not have died. But of course we can’t have these facts brought to light, as the victors of WW2 this would be a real ‘inconvenient truth’ now wouldn’t it?

The war in Afghanistan was based on lies, unfortunately Australia and those other vassal nation’s mentioned should have told the lying yanks to go it alone, likewise Iraq, Syria and Vietnam. All wars which proved too much for the US, which by the way hasn’t won a war since WW2 (we won’t mention the Russian’s were the primary reason Germany was defeated in Europe, another of those pesky, inconvenient truths).

Believe what you will but the historical archived facts do not lie.
Galen

:The forgotten war..."....I thought we'd be talking about Mark (Waugh).

That the USA had the right, and probably the duty, to go into Afghanistan and chase the Taliban (or Taliband if you're Julia Gillard) into their warrens and caves, is pretty well established.

Unfortunately the US hierarchy had bought the talk over the previous decade of the end of history and the ultimate and universal inevitability of western liberal capitalism. They assumed that all peoples yearn for western-style freedoms and that it could be established in Afghanistan (and later Iraq) with ease once the totalitarians had been disposed of.

But, alas, that's not true and was shown to be untrue. Were 9/11 to happen today, the correct response would be to bomb the offending state back to the stone age and leave them to pick up the pieces, with a promise to do it all over again if they dared raise the head above the parapet ie level Kabul, and then, if Islamist continued to hold sway in the country, do it again next year ad infinitum until they learned to play nice.

"this in international law makes them both the aggressors"

That's arrant rubbish....see: Poland.

" the US, which by the way hasn’t won a war since WW2.."

Well apart from Korea, Grenada, Panama, Bolivia, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, Isis....oh and a little thing called The Cold War.

"Box cutters and aluminium planes don’t bring down reinforced steel and concrete buildings."

No. But box cutters do slit air-hostesses throats. And the fuel on the aluminium plane does bring down buildings.

mhaze

“see: Poland”
Err wrong, sorry that was not the start of WW2. WW2 started when Britain and France declared war, this is a historical, undeniable fact.

“ Korea, Grenada, Panama, Bolivia, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, Isis....oh and a little thing called The Cold War”

Err wrong again, Korea, still going, Grenada, Panama, Bolivia, Haiti, not wars. Gulf War 1, the US withdrew forces, Iraq did not surrender. Gulf War 2, they got rid of Hussein, but lost to the locals after about 10 years of meddling and still have troops there. ISIS well that’s a joke, they are funded and get intel support from the US/medical aid from Israel, and are used for PR purposes by the US when needed. The Cold War, it never really ended, its more dangerous now than at anytime in the previous 75 years.

“ No. But box cutters do slit air-hostesses throats. And the fuel on the aluminium plane does (sic) bring down buildings.”

Re box cutters, well yes they might, but not in this case. Fuel fires from the alleged aircraft, with included fuel load from the twin towers were scientifically incapable of generating the heat necessary to bring down the towers or building 7. No building (high rise) before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire, some burning hotter and longer and still not collapsing, or even coming close.

Facts please, I suggest you do some research, perhaps read Germany’s War by John Wear for some truth on WW2 and search and read the scientific evidence re 9/11 by googling Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and their affiliated websites.
Galen

Galen,

"that was not the start of WW2"

We were talking about who was the aggressor, not when the war started. Germany invaded Poland who were in alliance with Britain. Germany knew that and that a war with Poland meant war with Britain. Therefore under international law Germany not Britain was the aggressor.

As to when the WW2 started...well there are any number of dates you might pick: 1/9/39; 3/9/39, 10/5/40, 22/6/41, 7/12/41, 11/12/41.
Any one of those has arguments for and against. Its not a question of " a historical, undeniable fact."

"Korea, still going,"
Oh so we're nit-picking. No peace treaty so no end to the war even though there's been no shooting for over 60 years. Perhaps we can also argue that the Punic Wars aren't over either.

"Grenada, Panama, Bolivia, Haiti, not wars. "
Why?

"Gulf War 1, the US withdrew forces, Iraq did not surrender. "
The war aims were to free Kuwait for Iraqi occupations. Kuwait was freed, so war aims met. So victory. QED

"Gulf War 2"
They may not have won the peace but they most certainly won the war.

"The Cold War, it never really ended,..."
Soviet Empire destroyed. Soviet Union destroyed. Communist rule destroyed. Warsaw Pact destroyed. Perhaps, like the Black Knight, they were just flesh wounds?

"scientifically incapable of generating the heat necessary to bring down the towers"

Rubbish. There's a million places you could go to check it out. Try this one....http://www.thoughtco.com/why-world-trade-center-towers-fell-177706

But when you have a Truther who says "alleged aircraft", you're not dealing with someone open to explanation.

" I suggest you do some research, perhaps read Germany’s War by John Wear "

I read it...but more for the comedic value. It basically takes every piece of Nazi propaganda as truth and works backwards from there.

Try reading....
The Origins of the Second World War...AJP Taylor,
A History of World War Two...Taylor
Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...Shirer
Hitler: A Study in Tyranny ....Alan Bullock
anything by Liddel Hart.

A lot more, but they should be sufficient anecdote for Wear's rubbish.

Gawd ! This is proof that the real enemy is within !

As regards Afghanistan, I've written previously here that its long past time for us to get out and leave them to their fate. If the war aims are to create a viable, reasonably free state where women are equals and children have a fair run at a secure future, then the war is lost. That will never happen.

Just hanging around hoping that something will finally drop into place isn't a reasonable strategy and leaving our young men to face daily danger because our pollies don't want to admit that the whole venture was a failure, is immoral.

Trump wants out and will probably move to get out after November. We might as well show some independence by doing so first rather than trialling along.