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Why does the good God allow COVID-19? : Comments
By Spencer Gear, published 30/4/2020Before COVID-19, how long has it been since you considered the shortness of life and the possibility of dying?
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 2 May 2020 7:25:05 AM
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Armchair Critic,
<<I told you all two months ago, anyone who believes the virus came from Wuhan fish market is an idiot, and it may not have even come from China.>> When will you quit using this Ad Hominem logical fallacy. You use erroneous reasoning in this statement and we can't have a rational discussion when you do this. Other scientists studying COVID-19 reach a different conclusion to yours: Two Chinese scientists from a Wuhan lab found to have studied bats in Australia Apr 27, 2020 Sky News Australia "Global intelligence agencies looking into the origins of COVID-19 have found two Chinese scientists studied live bats in Australia as part of a joint research between the Chinese communist government and the Australian government. "In an exclusive the Daily Telegraph is reporting the “Five Eyes intelligence agencies of Australia, Canada, NZ, UK, and US are understood to be looking closely at the work of a senior Scientist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Peng Zhou, and fellow scientist Shi Zhengli”. "Sky News host and the Daily Telegraph’s Sharri Markson wrote the intelligence agencies have been examining “whether COVID-19 originated from a wet market or whether the naturally-occurring virus may have been inadvertently released”. "Sky News contributor Scott Emerson said these new revelations will just 'raise more concerns about what are the origins of COVID-19'", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TYqGtrewoA Posted by OzSpen, Saturday, 2 May 2020 7:39:41 AM
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Dear Ozpen,
You proselytise; “Jesus' resurrection is based on historical science that leads to a reliable New Testament document.” Well no it isn't and no it doesn't. Mark is recognised as the original Gospel from which both Matthew and Luke derive much of their text. John was written after the destruction of the temple and the chaotic times which followed. In the early manuscripts of Mark the only purported witness to the resurrection was this fellow; 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’” 8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. Sure later versions and gospels fleshed out a resurrection narrative but it is hardly historical science by anyone's definition. To argue otherwise would be utterly illogical. Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 May 2020 1:22:07 PM
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So to God and evil.
Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. Job 42:11 ... and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. 32:14 Exodus And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. 1 Chronicles 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough. So there are many places in the Bible describing certain actions of God evil. By sugar coating them you strip them of their power and the narrative arc of humans becoming more God like while God gains a sense of humanity is lost. You say “Thus, God is properly said to be the author of 'evil' in this sense of calamity, but not in the moral sense.“ which is a position not supported by the text. In Genesis 18 where the Lord has decided to obliterate Sodom and Gomorrah he seeks to hide his intentions from Abraham. Genesis 18:16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 17 And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; He was wary of a moral judgement from Abraham who then tried to bargain with the Lord to prevent the evil he was about to do. Job is another instance where God is held to account for his evil actions, where the morals of Job shame him and cause him to reflect on what he has done. Please remember sinning against God is not the same as acting immorally. Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 May 2020 1:25:55 PM
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Hey Spencer,
"When will you quit using this Ad Hominem logical fallacy." Well I don't exactly know what your on about 'logical fallacy', and I don't even care. Speak english. As for 'Ad Hominen' I will tell you you're idiots if you act that way. It's a non-violent form of correction, and if more people told idiots that they are idiots the world would be a much better place. - But what I do know is my argument made perfect sense, and maybe you've got screws loose. 'Two Chinese scientists from a Wuhan lab found to have studied bats in Australia' - So what? In your article you said it was 'Lee-Harvey Fishmonger'. Now in your last comment and linked article you're saying IT MIGHT'VE been 'Lee-Harvey Chinese-Lab-Assistant'. QUOTE "Sky News host and the Daily Telegraph’s Sharri Markson wrote the intelligence agencies have been examining “whether COVID-19 originated from a wet market or whether the naturally-occurring virus may have been inadvertently released”. That's what you quoted. When the old house of cards falls down you build a new house of cards? You're just parroting THEIR narrative. If you look at what the genomes of the virus itself say, then you'll understand the only way it can get the spike proteins of HIV was if it was engineered as a bioweapon. So what the virus came from bats? That's what I said months ago. But it was mixed with other viruses with a gene-splicer. That's the part you're not getting. The next part you need to get to is that: IF - It came from a lab THEN - It could've come from ANY lab The mainstream media isn't there for your benefit. It's there for others benefit and to keep you clueless. You're two months behind in the news. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 2 May 2020 1:58:57 PM
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Armchair Critic,
<<As for 'Ad Hominen' I will tell you you're idiots if you act that way. It's a non-violent form of correction, and if more people told idiots that they are idiots the world would be a much better place.>> There you go with another Ad Hominem (Abusive) Fallacy when you call me an 'idiot'. When you use this fallacy, you attack me rather than deal with the argument presented in my article. Yours is a personal attack that is 'completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making', http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Abusive. Ad Hominem literally means 'against man'. In calling me an 'idiot' you have bypassed the content of my article and my Comments. Why? So you can focus on yourself and your views. When you use a fallacy, it's impossible to have a logical dialogue and that's where you've come to now with your approach - a dead end. Posted by OzSpen, Saturday, 2 May 2020 6:15:42 PM
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You're really gonna have to do better than that you simple-minded fool.
- Man's will, NOT God's will -
Stop attributing to God (if he even exists) that which is attributable to MANS FREE WILL.
You've got a perfectly good candidate to blame in humans, but you WANT IT to be evidence of the Lord at work.... decimating the population.
BTW is your God benevolent or malevolent?
Spencer I don't enjoy having to always correct you, but you always get everything wrong.
ttbn's right about his observation regarding the forum that new information rarely changes peoples entrenched beliefs anyway.
- So I don't know why I even bother...