Evolution is an academic hype for something farmers and breeders have been doing for centuries. They breed certain traits for their food, their farm animals, even for their pets. If that is the extent of evolutionary theory, then that's fine. This has nothing to do with whether God exists or not. And He does exist.

Moving on from the distracting side topics of evolution, and twaddle tantrums from SR. I'd rather move to the point of the topic. Why God allows bad things to happen. Why this virus which can be very painful for some people infected with it, as well as deadly to others, is here. I agree with Spencer's assessment that often our hardships are a wake up call to return back to God; to create more humility and cause people to care about each other; or even to cause people to care about what they do, and put their efforts into what they do instead of cutting corners. Perhaps regardless why the Covid virus is here those lessons can be learned anyways.

Foxy,

I don't give two hoots if OzSpen and NNS want to have a religious view of the world. They do that because they believe in the supernatural and not in scientific and philosophical views.

They will tell you that Evolutionary Theory is alright as long as one believes in God and that God is the Creator of the Universe. For them, without God there can be on such thing as evolution. There can only be someone else who says it is true.

Of course they don't want evolution to be true because it is scientific proof that there is no God the Creator and if there is no God the Creator then there simply is no God at all which totally undermines their whole religious view of the world.

Mr O,

Their beliefs seem to bother you.

Why is that?

Dear NNS,

Twaddle tantrums from SR?

Lol.

My dear young chap. You were the one who took issue with what in most people's book is a pretty innocuous descriptor calling it disrespectful and Ozpen was the one claiming it as an ad hominem attack.

How is my use of it a tantrum but the response from both of you not?

You put up “Evolution is an academic hype for something farmers and breeders have been doing for centuries.”

May I say what a shallow, baseless and ignorant understanding of evolution that is. Adaption is only one facilitating part of the science of evolution and if you are going to make ignorant claims like you just have please don't play the victim card when you get pulled up on it. It is getting really boring.

Anyway it does serve one purpose, to peg you as a fundamentalist style of Christian, hardly representative of the wider faith. There are many highly decent Christians who do not feel the need to reject the science of evolution and luckily for the world they are in the majority compared to the science deniers who infect the faith and loudly buzzing around forums like this.

Dear Ozpen,

Yet again you are fallaciously using logical fallacies to berate people. You cant' just keep making up their definitions to suit yourself.

Mr Opinion's response was a flippant remark and hardly an “attempt to refute “an argument that was not presented by that opponent”. Care to try again.

You also said “We need to see God in natural disasters, including Covid-19. What is he trying to say to rebellious Aussies who are kicking Him out of their lives?”

What a load of bunkum. You are invoking an Old Testament type of God about whom you are inventing stories to fulfil your sick blasphemous agenda.

You had also written; “When the Israelites were trying to escape Egypt (Exodus 7-11) and the wicked Pharaoh refused to let them go, God sent plagues.”

The so called 'wicked' Pharaoh was quite prepared to send the Israelis on their way but God purposefully hardened his heart so God could wreak the vengeance of slaying every firstborn across the whole of Egypt.

“Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. “

Tell me Ozpen, why did the firstborn son of every female slave have to die? What lesson was that giving?

//Faith in God is stronger then evolution, because it is observable.//

Not the most promising abstract I've ever read, but I'm sure it'll make a fascinating paper once it's properly written up and ready for peer review.

Question 1: Would it be impertinent of me to ask what methodology you employed to test the null hypothesis?

//The overuse of evolution as a buzz word in modern day theories puts evolution in a skeptical view in my opinion.//

You know that biologists didn't invent the word, yes? Chemists had claim to it before they did; in chemistry we sometimes talk about the evolution of gas in a reaction - all it means is that a gas is being produced. And we were using the word since the 18th century; biologists didn't jump on the bandwagon until the 19th century.

Question 2: Is the notion that some chemical reactions can produce chemical products now suspect, because chemists use the term 'evolution' to describe these reactions?

//Contrasted to 2) the ideas of entropy//

Would these be vague, wooly-headed, half-baked notions of entropy, or a proper discussion of the concept based on actual physics (and not what you imagine physics to be).

Question 3: What does the thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work have to do with evolution?

//This has nothing to do with whether God exists or not.//

Yes, we know. It's a scientific theory, NNS. Scientific theories are silent on the question of God's existence. Or, if you prefer, they are perfectly agnostic.

Science neither affirms nor denies the existence of the supernatural, because it is limited to the natural. I can see why some religious folk interpret the agnosticism of science as being anti-religious (because if fails to affirm their particular beliefs), but I'm unsure as to why they have singled out the theory of evolution as somehow being worse than all the others. Maxwell's laws, tectonic theory, atomic theory etc. are no more or less agnostic than evolutionary theory.