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Are the bushfires a result of climate warming? : Comments
By Peter Bowden, published 16/1/2020Bushfires have long been part of the Australian scene, but the recent outbreaks have been excessive.
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Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 11:49:17 AM
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LEGO,
From your youtube: http://youtu.be/rvrsA0XlYGg?t=147 Why not include American wildfire prior to the 1980's? They've got some temperature data from earlier that century but not accurate bushfire records prior to the 1980's. http://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770 But what would they know? They're only the National Academy of Science. I'm sure your youtuber is a heroic caped crusader, like the Batman of youtube, defending us all against.... science. But for those who like science, let's look at WHY the records only go back to 1984. First, they need consistency! "1) the need to develop consistent information across all lands within the project extent, and 2) the need to develop consistent information spanning a significant historical period." Second, the only way to do it was Landsat. "Landsat TM and ETM+ data provide the longest consistent record of relatively high spatial and spectral resolution data for mapping fire severity. " http://fireecology.springeropen.com/articles/10.4996/fireecology.0301003 Landsat satellites were first launched in 1972 but later satellites had more capability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsat_program Third, the fire agency responsible for the data SAYS NOT TO USE THE DATA PRIOR TO 1983! "The National Interagency Coordination Center at NIFC compiles annual wildland fire statistics for federal and state agencies. This information is provided through Situation Reports, which have been in use for several decades. Prior to 1983, sources of these figures are not known, or cannot be confirmed, and were not derived from the current situation reporting process. As a result the figures prior to 1983 should not be compared to later data." htts://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_stats_totalFires.html Also note: "California has always had fire, yes, but not like this. The acres charred by wildfire each year in California have increased by 500 percent since 1972, and 15 of the 20 largest fires in the state’s history have occurred since 2003." http://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/climate-change/470699-the-biggest-wildfires-in-californias-history _________________________________________________ My serious question to you, one adult to another: did you *really* this individual Denier was going undo the work of every National Academy of Science on the planet in accepting ACC? If this is the quality of their arguments, how confident are you in versing 'lone wolf' individual Deniers against every National Academy of Science on the planet now?_________________________________________________ Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 1:00:33 PM
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To ALTRAV.
The only surprising aspect of the HIGW movement is that they have not yet figured out a way to blame global warming on the Jews. What we are seeing in western societies is the rise of an entirely new class of people who are jostling the merchant and business class, as well as the traditional ruling class, for power. University graduates comprised only 2% of the population in 1900 and almost all of these graduates, except for those the Artz, were solidly members of the Establishment. But in western countries today it is more like 15% and many graduates today think that their class of educated elites should rule every western country. They consider themselves much smarter than the working class, a class of people they have always pretended to champion but whom they now openly despise. And they consider themselves morally superior to the upper classes whom they consider greedy and selfish. The composition of this new class is interesting, because what really defines them is not income, or even diplomas, but attitudes. To be considered a part of this growing fashionable class it is mandatory to adopt the causes of the people which you aspire to be a part of. The three "'R's" (Republic, Reconciliation, and Refugees) is a big one, so is being anti racist, but growing in importance is a unshakeable belief that western economic systems are destroying our planet through HIGW. The class comprises graduates, especially those who manage to find employment in cushy government non jobs like Max's "environmental sociologist" (whatever the hell that is?) That is why leftism is so firmly established in cities like Canberra where almost everybody works for the government. But it can even include the CEO's of dot com start up companies, celebrities, almost the entire entertainment industry, vegans, and alternative lifestylers who are too inept to prosper in ordinary society. The best cure for leftism with this last categorisation would be to make them move out of their parents homes, get off the dole, get a job, and start paying taxes. Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 8:12:29 PM
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LEGO,
I'm not the environmental sociologist,that's Mr Opinion. I've only got an Advanced Diploma in Social Sciences, not the full degree. Also, you never defended Tony Heller's claims about the American wildfires graph being edited. They didn't include the previous 'graph' data prior to 1983 because it's not verifiable. Simple. unless of course their department of Parks is also "in on it." Boy, the number of not just people but government departments "Faking" climate science is so utterly mindbogglingly vast that not just the moon landing itself, but it's 400,000 employees could all have been faked. Indeed, JFK and Elvis are both alive and partying in the moon base! Also, before recommending a video find out who the author is and look him up on Desmog Blog. He has a fake name alias, chequered background, fakes science and everything. You've really picked a winner! http://www.desmogblog.com/steven-goddard Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 8:29:50 PM
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Max, the word is out.
Whilst those who contrive to distort the truth for personal gain and agenda, may try, but ultimately in this super informed, easily accessible and confirmed information, it is no longer easy to pull the wool over our eyes, as it was in the past. What is, and has always been true, is that the planet is warming, not because WE caused it, but because it is part of it's normal and historical cycle. What the scum-bags did, knowing this fact, and knowing the public at large didn't was to tell only half the story and use the alarmist half to scare people into submission over all these new energy technology grants and development, which by now, we all know to be a farce or a con. Heck even the wind turbines are now guilty of emitting a gas which is detrimental to the environment. Can't wait to hear the info on that one. So the part they left out was that WE are NOT guilty of any wrong doing. The planet is simply going through it's life cycles as it has done since it's formation. So even though we are going through a warming phase, coming out of a mini ice age, it will peak a few hundred years from now, and then begin it's return through the cold phase. It is important for people to understand that we humans are too insignificant to affect the planet in any way at all. Only GOD or collision or interactions with another planet our size can cause any changes to it. Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 9:09:23 PM
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To Max. As proven in my graph displaying CO2 and global temperatures over the last 10,000 years, which you are too frightened to even look at, the earth is in another one of it's scheduled warming periods. It is therefore to be expected that bushfires everywhere will increase as the planet warms. But the perverse nature of climate change was displayed in Tony Heller's graphs. It was in fact hotter in the USA during the mid 1930's. This was the period of Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath where large parts of the US mid west became too hot and dry to farm, and climate refugees drifted penniless into California to try and find jobs .
You are claiming that the NAS says differently and sneer "what would they know?" Heller's graph came from the US Forest Service and I would throw that one right back at you. The US Fire service information conforms with the historical record as related to in Steinbeck's novel, which was based upon a well known national climate disaster. If the US Fire Service today is now refuting it's own data from before 1983, that would not surprise me at all. Just like in Australia, where the NPWS seems to be now fully controlled by greenies who do not want to conduct controlled burns or even allow recreational shooters to control feral animal infestation, the US Fire Service is probably infested with greenies more interested in promoting an ideology which benefits the US public service, than doing their jobs. Once again you are suggesting that your side is the scientific side which is being opposed by cranks. I do not accept that at all. Scientific opposition to HIGW appears to be increasing and it is the blatant misrepresentation of the truth by self interested official government organisations, as clearly displayed in Heller's link, which is probably the cause of that. As one Climategate email and the sacking of climate sceptic Peter Ridd clearly displayed, if you are in the public service and you don't believe in HIGW, then you had better keep your mouth shut Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 30 January 2020 4:18:09 AM
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I can only hope that there are others out there who have also been following this maniacal group of mental deficients, and they could possibly add a comment or two on this issue, and yes, again, I know it's off topic, but any attempt at raising this issue as a posting has been met with very childish and stupid responses, by people who obviously have done no research or followed this lot.