I think we need to but out and leave these folk get on killing each other with the most extreme autocratic authoritarian governments calling the shots?

And we should allow the Russians/Chinese as much rope as they need to hang themselves with. And thereby destroy themselves economically trying to tame the untameable M.E.!

I think we need to show some resolve and send a message to all the miscreants by nuking Iran. As a lessor of two evils bloodbath.

For there is going to be the mother and father of all bloodbaths if we do not do something.

I Prefer the nuclear option, given it will not be our young folk's blood spilled in vain for monsters! Monsters like the Syrian "President" or the Turkish President!

With Iran nuked we can demand the Turkish tyrant return the nuclear arsenal entrusted to him by NATO, or suffer the same fate! Our allies in the M.E. should be evacuated en mass! And resettled elsewhere! Given we use neutron bombs for the elimination of hostiles in Iran and if necessary Turkey.

Leave the infrastructure and houses/buildings undamaged!

We can resettle the Kurds there in around twelve months when it will once again become safe to do so and with all the infrastructure intact and undamaged including the oil fields!

There may be other less-lethal options that do not include spilling any western blood for monsters? But for the life of me, none that would be remotely effective come to mind!

I believe we need to use a half dozen tactical weapons in the mountainous border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan to limit the annual migration of the Taliban from Pakistan to Afghanistan with each spring thaw!
Alan B.

AB, what a load of garbage.......

Whoever thought that things in the Middle East would get better as long as Islam exists!

what a load of garbage
ateday,
really ?

The only viable solution seems to be let them destroy their infrastructure
and leave their populations in abject poverty.
Depending on whether Saudi Arabian collapses or not we may need to
move in to take over the oil fields as the sudden removal of their
output would have very bad effect on our economies.
With no economic output they will revert to an agricultural economy.
With a ban on supply of military equipment they will revert to small
scale operations on a tribal basis.
In such circumstances their military will deteriorate and be no threat
to rest of us.
Somehow they have to rid themselves of Islam as it appears to be the
main driver of their descent into chaos in that it bans rational thought.
In other words we actively encourage the collapse of their economies.
Tough, but it is the kindest thing we can do for them.

Since Trump, and the end of U S dependency on ME oil, things are moving in the right direction.

What we will witness is a shift of resources towards the welfare of Israel in its, vulnerable geo position.
Erdogan will be ignored, as is the custom now, and Turkey will continue the slide into another "S*H" country status, it is fast becoming.

Afghanistan will continue to be the major supplier to the worlds illegal drug market, the enterprise it is most adapted to, while tending the mountain goat herds.

Iran will take its self designated status of the lieutenant of the ME, obeying the bidding of the major Eastern powers, while purging their country of Western influence by eliminating homosexuals and other such vermin.

Those cockroaches will be welcomed as the oppressed, under a UN charter ensuring Western countries (including Australia), accept them as refugees, sustaining the growing importance of the gay Mardi Gras, and adding their little bit to the growing lines of the homless, with their priority to public housing.

I could write a book on the subject in more detail. Maybe a future project for a time when I get bored with living a real life!

Dan

The fact that so far has been overlooked is that activities of some branches of the US Government and supposed non government organisations largely supported by it combined make it by far the world's biggest criminal organisation. They get up to all sorts of dirty tricks attempting to exploit the people and plunder resources in third world countries especially. including claiming they are "spreading democracy" when their "regime change" efforts are successful and a government is largely replaced with leaders who are US puppets and stooges. At least nowadays thanks to the social media and alternative news sites which will publish truths the Western mainstream media will not, more people around the world are becoming aware of what has really been going on. Including the US often covertly initiating trouble to provide themselves with pretexts for intervention. People in the Middle East with the notable exception of Zionists in Israel would largely like to stop the US from meddling in their affairs. What amounts to the Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine has covertly worked towards having the US fight wars on its behalf. Hoping to "Balkanise" the Middle East so no other country there will be strong enough to threaten it and also pursue the dream of a "Greater Israel" between the Nile and Euphrates Rivers as per the "Oded Yinon Plan"

Mox I am afraid is well out of touch with reality.
Balkanise the Mid East ? You kidding ? It is more Balkan than the Balkans !

For anyone interested in the Middle East politics/religion etc I have
just started read a seven part article by an ex Moslem who is now an atheist.
He has an interesting insight into what is happening with moslems
exposed to western thinking. In his case it was a gradual transition
without him even realising it. The bit I found most interesting was
how the infallible Koran means most science is impossible.
It explains why Arabs can never obey the logic of science and the
Koran at the same time.

Here are the links to each part.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/the-muslims-inner-struggles
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/the-muslims-inner-struggles-part-2
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/the-muslims-inner-struggles-part-3
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/the-muslims-inner-struggles-part-4
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/the-muslims-inner-struggles-part-5
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/the-muslims-inner-struggles-part-6
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/12/the-muslims-inner-struggles-part-7

Alan, you speak of ‘monsters’ yet your entire vulgar post reveals you as the worst monster of them all.

You speak of the murder of millions of innocent people and yet you proclaim your ideas as virtuous and just. It is you who should be disposed of, directly to a mental institution or prison for the deranged.

Your disgusting post should be removed by Graham and you should be ashamed of yourself. What a horrid man you must be.

[Deleted for abuse.]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-28/truck-bomb-in-mogadishu-somalia-kills-dozens/11830734
Galen,
Here are some of these monsters !

Some fool thinks that nukes are a solution. The scientific ignorance is staggering.

Rob H, it’s Alan, and yes he is a fool.

Anyone advocating genocide and crimes against humanity should be banned from this site. He is despicable really.

I don't believe in never ever ending bloodbaths that have no respect for human life! And on display all over the M.E. By almost all participants. Waiting for them to grow hearts or humanity, will likely involve us in their never-ending genocidal bloodbath already centuries old.

In the interim, we need to stop buying their oil and gas and seek other homegrown and vastly cheaper alternatives which we have in abundance. I tire of genocide being Ok for the Taliban and Alkideda, But not for those who are eternally threatened by them!

Moreover, I don't resile fro my earlier statement and the use of tactical nuclear weapons! They would do worse to us if we believe in appeasement of monsters. For that's is what they are.

Nobody seems too worried when the Russians and the Syrians bomb civilian populations with impunity but go off like firecrackers when I suggest we do likewise to incorrigible miscreants as the only surefire way to actually end a centuries-long bloodbath.

That never ever concerned itself if women and children were targetted. For them, there never have been rules of engagement just maximised casualties!

At least my solution, [already part of U.S. military scenarios,] would leave the infrastructure entirely intact and habitable in a comparatively short time, for that is the outcome of the detonation of neutron bombs at altitude!
Alan B.

If you want to see what is cruel, look at the practise of ISIS and
others of using their handicapped Downes Syndrom children as suicide bombers !
They have a surplus of rejected handicapped children.
Follow the links in this article and weep.

http://www.10news.one/what-are-the-effects-widespread-inbreeding-among-muslims/

Read under Also Read: Cruelty to animals
That paragraph is enlightening.
And we let Arabs migrate into this country.

Anyone advocating genocide and crimes against humanity
Galen,
I haven't seen that, can you please give a link ?
Thank you.

I've had correspondence from a few of you about Alan B Goulding's post and Galen's response to it. I've deleted some of Galen's post because I believe it to be outside the terms of the site, but I'm going to leave Alan's post there.

I agree with Galen that it is an horrendous post, and that someone who could post that is a monster (or potentially has a perverse sense of humour). Whichever it is, it can stay there as a reference to the depths to which Alan is capable of descending.

If someone were trying to use this site to propagate material like that they would be banned, but Alan has been on this site for a long time, and I don't think anyone pays much attention to him. So the post stands as an example of the horrendous thinking that some are capable of at the same time as proclaiming their virtue. In which case it is a valuable example, in the particular of Alan, and the generality of what people are capable of thinking.