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20th Century’s new fascism : Comments

By Thomas Klikauer and Norman Simms, published 3/12/2019

Old and new fascism do not differ in their willingness to destroy the heritage of Europe's Enlightenment, along with its Kantian tradition of modernity.

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Old fascism was seen by the average person as something from the Right; now it is clearly from the Left.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 8:31:33 AM
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Ttbn,

That's how it works: ultimately, any strong alternative to imperfect democracy leads to various tarted-up forms of totalitarianism, Left AND Right, which degenerate into fascism by any other name. Hence the confusion amongst intellectuals back in the twenties who admired both Soviet communism AND Italian fascism simultaneously - they perceived that both were forms of state-controlled repressive government, they both went in for massive central planning schemes, they both had to open up vast prison camps.

The Soviets probably went further down the fascist road than even Mussolini with their programs for the extermination of unreliables [Pol Pot followed suit with his extermination of 'intellectuals']. Certainly, the Nazis went further down that inevitable road with their planned, industrial-scale extermination of Jewish people. But it's no coincidence that Hitler called his party the German National-Socialist Workers' Party.

Friedrich Hayek proposed that, instead of some sort of straight-line polarity between socialism and fascism, with liberal democracy somewhere in the middle, we should think of a flexible triangle, with swinging arms at the end of which were socialism and outright fascism and Nazism, with both of them closer to each other and antithetical to democracy. That works for me.

In fact, if you read the article, and substitute the words 'Sovietism' or 'Bolshevism' for 'Nazism' and/or 'fascism', apart from the obvious and piddly differences in dress, slogans, etc., they aren't that different. Try it.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 8:55:40 AM
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The stench of its ideals is the best way to describe new fascism. It's insidious as it seeks to infiltrate today's political parties and is completely deaf to any new or different idea or ideal.

It cannot, will not, accept that climate change is real and we have caused some of it! Or that we must abandon fossil fuel and coal now inside a single decade!

And will self identify in these pages by rubbishing all those who advocate a move away from coal to, for peaceful purpose, nuclear energy? As the only reliable, dispatchable, affordable, alternative carbon-free energy.

Yes, there is one example of very broad scale, as hundreds of acres of solar voltaic, getting, daylight only, renewables down to below that produced by NG @5 cents PKWH?

[I could given my druthers get it down below a cent PKWH and in complete safety!]

But that 5 cents per example, is in a not for profit paradigm, rolled out by one of the oil-rich Arab states. Safe from new Fascism due to the fact that they are somewhat benign dictatorships.

Fascism has therefore targeted already divided democracies (Brexit, the rust belt of America etc.) and the best divisive vehicle is on climate change and fossil fuels, both of which are extremely contentious and hotly contested. And grist to the mill for divide and rule fascism!

Couldn't happen here because unlike the saner, more progressive Arabians, our hard-right, self evidently, infiltrated government has no business in business.

Why?

Because that would serve to unite us, wouldn't it? And therefore, not the friend of new Fascism!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:45:44 AM
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Hey Joe. Erudite and educated comment mate! And well said!

Just the same, take care where you cast those pearls of wisdom Joe.

The swill selling swine/Fascists are likely to take umbrage at such truth-telling!? And because sane comment and the facts are contrary to GOOD PROPAGANDA!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:55:07 AM
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Rubbish. It's a war of the genders, to be ultimately fought-out in the bedroom.

The Democrat army wife to raise her children alone,

The Republican soldiers in perpetual mission-ego.

All else is too confused to make sense from the tea leaves so far.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 3:17:26 PM
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Certainly in the US antifa, lying feminist and the democrats are all strongly opposed to democracy. Surely that fits the defintion of facism. With the left, they have perverted language and use the word facist to stop anyone exposing their perverted narratives. It has taken a President from outside of the swamp to expose this.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 4:37:08 PM
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