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Greta Thunberg and Andrew Bolt: two sides of the same coin : Comments

By Eric Claus, published 25/10/2019

The first technique is the complete rejection of the idea that their opponents might have anything meaningful to say.

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BTW Foxy,

Thanks for dealing with the facts!
Posted by calwest, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:16:15 PM
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https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/climatesciencenarratives/its-water-vapor-not-the-co2.html

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3.

2018 Nobel prize in economics won by Nordhaus and Romer for work on climate change and growth
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 was awarded to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former US Vice President Al Gore

runner you think a 20 year time frame is cherry picking? 30 years is 46%. Longer than that reflects huge changes in technology and the world economy.
Worldwide energy prices have gone up 207% in 30 years, 144% in 20 years and that has nothing to do with Australia's renewable energy policy, that is world wide price. Those price increases are due to demand increasing faster than supply.
https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=energy-price-index&months=360

Wages growth has been flat in Australia.
https://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/3127664/HILDA-Statistical-Report-2019.pdf
Posted by ericc, Saturday, 26 October 2019 12:05:26 AM
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Anyone equating little Greta Thunderbox with Andrew Bolt is suffering from the same naivety and lack of real world experience that all other 16 year old school children suffer from.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 26 October 2019 9:10:18 AM
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Individual action to prevent climate change or even, reverse it!?

Yes, we could do it as a united world!

And that's where it fails every time!

Individual action!?

Park the car walk or cycle everywhere. slaughter all the domestic methane emitting animals and hit the off button in the household or industrial power supply!

Then gather wild berries etc as our own individual food supply!? Or if protei deprived run it down with a stone tie to a stick!

Others survived with just that followed the seasons and the rainfall! And rarely lived beyond 45 years! So some of us could as well!

Each individual family would require a minimum of forty acres as a self-sustaining woodlot for fuel and another ten acres of arable land for sustained food production.there'd need to be a dam to breed and harvest fish.

The main crops would vary with the climate, need to be storable and probably include rice potato and sweet potato. Houses would be mud brick nad straw/thatched roofs Be simple and rudimentary. we'd have to find wild herbs to treat all our illnesses

Yes, individual action would work if every surviving human adopted a sustainable lifestyle practice! One can see hasbeen Eric, Andy and all the indolent wealthy accepting that proposition!?

With the best will in the world, at least a full two-thirds of the population would need to be sacrificed before there was enough arable land to share among the surviving remnant!

Those on the hit list? How do we obtain their willing sacrifice?

Let nature take its course and watch from the sidelines as millions starve or fight each other for what's left?

Stand still as they clear-fell whole forests as they search for fuel and food!?

Given our numbers and parlous position!

Will we be among those selected for the ultimate sacrifice?

After all, Australia is the driest inhabited continent in the world!
And our total river system delivers less flow than that flowing down the fly!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 26 October 2019 10:31:00 AM
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Foxy says: [Greta Thunberg] "is simply asking for
action on climate change."

But Thunberg, Foxy and the others promoting "action" on climate change can't actually specify what action needs to be taken - indeed, they can't even demonstrate that there's a problem in the first place.

Thunberg is an unfortunate child. She has been manipulated. So have the students who take a day off school on the same pretext - just as Mao's Red Guard were used to intimidate and destroy his political opponents. And more recently we have three and four year old pre-schoolers presenting a "petition" to NSW Labor's entirely powerless shadow minister for the environment.

Useless posturing by all of them.
Posted by cato, Saturday, 26 October 2019 10:54:55 AM
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There are to different sides to the same coin! Those that refuse to do anything because they believe this is cyclical even though all the credible evidence tells us this is not normal! And then the other side, gormless greens with an agenda, refuse to accept a technological, fix!

Why!?

Because it's technological! Yes, it could work and even reverse climate change all while allowing 9 billion humans to survive!?

And that's a problem!

Too many people! Some will have to go! Yes, we've all got our hands up as volunteers for the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the rest! Ha, ha!

The other side of the coin, which probably includes Eric, Andy and the rest of the ultra-conservative mob, don't believe, they say, that climate change is real, cause if it were? We'd have to stop burning and exporting coal, gas and oil!

And if we did that they almost to a generic man, would go broke! And all social security, benefits and pensions would have to go!?

And the only real reason for their denials and conservative consternation!? You'd imagine what would happen o their support base and plum jobs then! Eh?

I mean, if the Snowy were not yet done and they were asked to do it, they'd throw their hands in the air and say, we can't! Too big! Too expensive!

Yes, our ancestors with much less, money and manpower did just that, but hey, they were supermen and knew how to stretch a dollar as far as it would go, by incorporating the usual economic flow on factors!

Won't work for us, because we've sold our souls to foreign interests!

Meaning all those economic parameters that worked for our ancestors are off the table and by deliberate design!

I mean you have to really work hard and at it to turn the third wealthiest nation and a creditor one at that into a debt-laden basket case, going to hell, in a handbasket, laden with unprecedented, record domestic and foreign debt!

Tha's why we can't and they could! Get ti!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 26 October 2019 11:00:29 AM
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