If Kurds were Catholic they would be in line for sainthood. In fact, with all the hyperbole and bullshite doing the rounds, we must be due to hear from Francis, the weirdest Pope yet.

Even Loony Lambie is now in on the act. After saying that it's not up to her to comment on what Donald Trump does, she immediately changes her mind and accuses him of actually SENDING Kurds in to fight ISIS.

It's a very broken system that allows morons like her into our Parliament.

The author is mistaken in believing that the issue is specific to Trump: America has betrayed its allies in the past and will continue to betray them again and again. Also, even if they sincerely wanted to help, the Americans are not anywhere as strong as they present themselves.

Israel knows it, so while it enjoys its good relationship with America, it does not rely on it. Australia on the other hand does not understand this simple truth, so when the first Chinese vessel or missile lands in Australia, no American will be seen anywhere in or around this continent and the war will be lost in hours.

Nothing short of developing our own atomic and biological weapons can save us from China.

Daer Yuyutsu,

Australia has a Chinese future. I agree with you that a Chinese invasion of Australia is inevitable, especially now that the enemy is already inside the gate.

"Nothing short of developing our own atomic and biological weapons can save us from China."

I think I agree with that.

Dear Mr. Opinion,

Australia does not have a Chinese future, but a Chinese threat which can be averted. Unfortunately it relies on the wrong ally for protection.

We can overcome and we shall overcome, with many casualties, but we will. However, we must build our own weapons and select better allies than America: our natural allies in this war are India and the Muslims - like them or not, but they are the most motivated and the ones to lose the most under Chinese rule. Their brothers and sisters in China are already being slaughtered in a Chinese holocaust and they know too well that their fate will not be different if captured by the Chinese, so they will fight like the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto.

China keeps tightening its prohibition of religion because Xi will never be satisfied by being considered anything less than "God". The Christian West has largely lost its faith: Western churches still exist but they largely turned into social clubs, so for them Chinese rule is not such a big deal as much as it is for Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Muslims. Sadly, many Westerners would sell off their souls and mothers for the comfort of Chinese gadgets and toys.

Trump's description of the "endless wars" sums it all up. The Middle East will never have peace as long as there is one Arab standing ! Even the last Arab would seek a conflict with anyone that is within sight ! Conflict is in their DNA.

It had to come !
Everyone is fed up with the never ending war in the Middle East.
The Arab's genome is badly damaged after some thousands of years of
marrying their cousins. This has been shown in a number of government
reports in Australia, Britain, Holland and Denmark.
As a result they have developed behavior patterns that make it very
difficult for them to compromise. It has resulted in a lower average
IQ which geneticists say would take hundreds of years to breed out if
they stopped the practice right now.

I know, I know there will be those that cry racist etc etc.
Well, it is fact and the number of Arab and Pakistani children in
special education classes in the UK proves it.
The worse part of it is the cruelty that it imposes on the children.

As a result it means that there is no mutually acceptable solution
to their ethnic, racial, religious, and political disputes.
We should get out permanently, cut them off and leave them to it.
Such a situation might bring them to their senses, hopefully.
But don't hold your breath.

Bazz,
Yes, it's a terrible situation when really the only way out is to be cruel to be kind !

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Dear Bazz,

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You wrote :

« The Arab's genome is badly damaged after some thousands of years of marrying their cousins … As a result, they have developed behavior patterns that make it very difficult for them to compromise … it means that there is no mutually acceptable solution to their ethnic, racial, religious, and political disputes »

Is it nature or is it nurture ? That is the question, Bazz. I tend to think it’s more a question of nurture than biology. Call it “natural inheritance” if you wish – but nothing to do with genetics.

To me, it is cultural, religious inheritance.

The Middle East is the home of modern monotheism : Judaism, multiple forms of Christianity and two forms of Islam (the original concept of monotheism having been contrived by the Egyptian pharaoh, Akhenaten, who posited – and imposed – the “sun god”, Aten). It is this factor that singles out the Middle East compared to all other regions in the world. For about 5 billion people (almost two thirds of the world population), it is the “holy land”, each religion jealously claiming parts of it – often the same – as its own.

The Middle East is a concentration of the most fervent, devout believers in their one and only God. Their religions and cultures transcend the nations that compose it, influencing them and sometimes even controlling and governing them.

Rigorous, unswerving and unconditional faith (blind faith?) breeds intolerance and intolerance inevitably leads to conflict and war, never ending war - never ending religious war.

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intolerance inevitably leads to conflict and war, never ending war - never ending religious war.
Banjo Paterson,
That's why the West should not interfere there but pounce on it when borders are crossed to the outside world !

Banjo, everything you say might be right but the genome problem is a
fixed fact as numerous genetists have reported. Go to NSW Govt Hansard
and search NSW Health Genetics Auburn Hospital.
That should find it. Also Midlands Heath service House of Commons UK
Cousin Marriage report.

There was an article somewhere about a young Pakistani woman who was
being forced to marry her cousin in Pakistan but she ran away and has
since formed an association against cousin marriage.
The Immans were very annoyed with her.
Her story is rather wrenching as she tells about her retarded and with
other handicaps cousins and nephews. Her extended family has a number
of handicapped members.

Sadly it is only too true.

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Dear Bazz,

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You wrote :

« Banjo, everything you say might be right but the genome problem is a fixed fact as numerous genetists have reported »

Yes, I have no problem with that, Bazz. As a matter of fact, I made a comment on that very subject on another thread. Here is the link :

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8933#291681

However, in my view, it is hazardous to suggest that there is a link of cause and effect between genetic disorders in offspring due to close biological relationships of parents and “behavior patterns [in Arabs] that make it very difficult for them to compromise” as you indicated in your post of Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:31:49 AM.

I am not aware of any empirical evidence that there is such a link. If, however, you have knowledge of such evidence, I should be grateful if you would share it with me.

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Banjo,
Behavior problems are common. It is generally triggered by frustration
at not being able to do something others can do easily or not
being allowed to do something that could injure them.
Just as we all get cranky about something, we generally understand why.
We have all seen a child throw a tantrum in a shop.
Think of the mother that has to handle that several times a day and
usually over the same thing every day.
Then translate that to a six footer who has controlled the tantrum but
will lash out if provoked or become abusive.
Most of course are very quite and easy going. They can have very rigid
habits and get very upset if a change of routine is requested.
However the level of handicap is normally less dramatic than I have described.
Now we have a whole population operating at a lower level of IQ.
A smaller number of people in this population have the skills to run a
country than in other countries.
Now insert into this population a religion that was designed by
someone who for the above reasons may be intolerant and is known to
massacre large towns and villages.
You have a picture of the Middle East and Pakistan.
Many will say I am wrong but the connection is clear if you know what
you are looking for.
Take the over reaction to the Mohammad Cartoons. Typical tantrum

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Dear individual,

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You wrote :

« “intolerance inevitably leads to conflict and war, never ending war - never ending religious war” … That's why the West should not interfere there but pounce on it when borders are crossed to the outside world ! »

That makes good sense as a general rule, individual, but the problem under discussion here is the fact that ISIS had established a caliphate in Syria that was conducting a war of terrorism against the rest of the world.

Obviously, each country that came under attack tried to defend itself as best it could but, in most cases, prevention proved to be inefficient. The best they could do was to eliminate the terrorists after or, at best, in some rare cases, during the attack.

Unfortunately, the massacres proved impossible to predict and prevent and were largely successful.

Most of the terrorists were home-grown – citizens of the countries under attack – who had been converted to radical Islam as jihadists and, as such, extremely difficult to identify and neutralize.

That is why the US took the lead of a special task force to eliminate ISIS in Iraq and Syria known as the International Global Coalition (IGC) composed of 23 countries (including Australia) providing military support and 72 countries providing non-military support.

Unfortunately, incursions into Iraq and Syria were inevitable. The rest of the world had no choice. There was no other way it could defend itself from ISIS and stop the massacres of innocent men, women and children going about their daily lives.

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Dear Bazz,

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I don’t wish to offend you in any way, but I do think you are projecting a systematic sentiment of vengeance onto what you consider to be a whole population of simple-minded people for no objective reason.

Such a pessimistic viewpoint seems to me to be highly exaggerated and totally unwarranted. I think we’d do well to remember the old adage that "one swallow does not a summer make".

I’m sorry to have to be so affirmative.

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Hey Banjo Patterson,

"Unfortunately, incursions into Iraq and Syria were inevitable. The rest of the world had no choice. There was no other way it could defend itself from ISIS and stop the massacres of innocent men, women and children going about their daily lives."

Unfortunately, the facts don't really fit the narrative.

The US wasn't doing squat against Islamic State.
They were there for years and it was only when Russia came to Assad's aid and started bombing oil convoys headed through north-eastern Syria into Turkey that the situation started to change.
US regime change operations created the refugee crisis.

The US was openly against the removal of Assad, arming and funding the rebels;
- On the same side as Islamic State, they only supported the Kurds as 'Plan B' when Russia intervened.

The Kurds didn't 'go in' to fight Islamic State, they were already there, though its also been stated that only 60% of those fighting for the Kurds are Kurds.

Sometimes it really annoys me that people on the forum rely so much on the mainstream media, but skip entirely doing a bit of digging to get the facts so they can have a more informed opinion.

I don't understand it, but I suppose I'm the same way with other topics like climate change as an example.

What gets me is that in the space of about an hour, you guys can be more informed than you'll ever be from journalists writing articles, and certainly more informed than them themselves.

They don't do investigative journalism, they just copy and rewrite the official narrative.
I'm giving you all the inside story, but you're all content with the crap you're already spoon fed.
And though I can lead you to water I can't force you to drink it.

Spend an hour going through my links in the comments here.
The videos are short.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20551&page=0#362393

I guarantee that you all will become wiser to the ways of the world than you ever previously thought possible.

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Dear Armchair Critic,

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You wrote :

1. « The US wasn't doing squat against Islamic State. They were there for years … The Kurds didn't 'go in' to fight Islamic State, they were already there … »

You are quite right about the Kurds, Armchair Critic, but not so about the US. There are over 2 million Kurds in Syria, nearly 10% of the Syrian population, and by far the largest minority in the country. Kurdish settlement in Syria goes back to before the Crusades of the 11th century.

There are also about 15 million Kurds in Turkey, 8 million in Iran and 5 million in Iraq.

But, as regards the US, they had a military presence in Syria since early 2016 to train and advise Kurdish and Arab rebel forces fighting ISIS in northern and eastern Syria. It is not true to say that “the US wasn't doing squat against Islamic State” at that time. That is precisely why they were there and what they were doing.

2. « … people on the forum rely so much on the mainstream media, but skip entirely doing a bit of digging to get the facts so they can have a more informed opinion … Spend an hour going through my links in the comments here »

I did, Armchair Critic, but none of the 14 videos had anything to do with our discussions. There was anything in them that contradicted what I have just written about the presence of the Kurds and the Americans in Syria.

3. Finally, in commenting on my statement that “incursions into Iraq and Syria were inevitable. The rest of the world had no choice”, you remarked that “the facts don't really fit the narrative”.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain why, since, as I’m sure you will recall, I was referring to the incursion of the US led International Global Coalition (IGC) composed of 23 countries (including Australia) providing military support and 72 countries providing non-military support.

The Kurds, of course, are not members of the IGC.

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each country that came under attack tried to defend itself as best it could but, in most cases, prevention proved to be inefficient.
Banjo Paterson,
I don't think modern legalities permit any country to take the proper measures to defend. I mean just look at whenever some culprit is up for some crime the legal Eagles instantly thwart any prosecution. There's no moral sense in legalities only technical "deals".
Remember the screams of indignation when Donny Trump wanted to ban Muslims coming to the US ? Who was screaming loudest ? The American do-gooders of course. Same crap applies here, just look at those ISIS women right now. Australians make themselves feel good by bleating compassion. Let them put their money where their mouths are ! Ask them to go to Syria & help those refugees over there so that they can remain there & don't have to become refugees & head for here !
Imagine the outcries of the Defence lawyers not getting their grubby little fingers on our tax Dollars !
It's time to put Australia & Australians first & Australians put Australia first !

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Dear individual,

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I understand your concern regarding the fate of the ISIS women.

Many of them, as well as some of the men, have already escaped from the Syrian prison camps guarded by the Kurds who were obliged to abandon them to defend themselves from the Turks following the withdrawal of the Americans.

As for those who remain in captivity, according to the latest reports, the French foreign minister is negotiating with the Iraqi authorities in an attempt to set up an international tribunal for them to be judged and imprisoned in Iraq – presumably with the aid of the international community who would probably finance the operation and be responsible for operating it.

If it works, it would be open to all foreign nationals including Australian ISIS fighters, women and, possibly, children – though I suspect that most countries would agree to repatriate children under a certain to the homeland of their parents for humanitarian reasons.

If it doesn’t work, it would probably be best for each country to accept to repatriate its ISIS fighters, women and children and judge them according to its national laws.

I think that would be better than allowing them to run free and continue their terrorist activities elsewhere, including by sneaking back to their home country illegally.

In either event, our current anti-terrorism laws may need to be revised and adapted to accommodate the particular case of repatriated terrorist fighters, their women and children.

Here is a brief résumé of our current laws :

http://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/Counterterrorismlaw/Pages/Australiascounterterrorismlaws.aspx

I also understand your concerns with our democratic system of justice. However, it is precisely the values of our democratic way of life that we wish to defend against the imposition of a totalitarian Islamic State with a self-declared caliph as sole decision maker.

That being the case, we must respect, defend, uphold and apply our democratic system of justice in all circumstances, through thick and thin, come what may.

My only regret is that we have abandoned capital punishment in Australia for what I consider to be particularly “atrocious crimes” – including terrorism.

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Hey Banjo Patterson,

Thanks for your response.

Firstly, I you read did watch all those videos in the other thread I linked to, then I unreservedly take my hat off to you.
I'm impressed with anyone that takes the time to look deeper into this stuff.

It's like a modern day international crime fiction, only it's not fiction its real.

I've been following it for several years but it is hard to keep up, without documenting it for yourself as you go along; which I haven't done.
It's complicated, hard to follow at the best of times, with so many players, but this is where all the truth lies;

- Not in mainstream media narrative -

"But, as regards the US, they had a military presence in Syria since early 2016 to train and advise Kurdish and Arab rebel forces fighting ISIS in northern and eastern Syria."

You need to go back earlier than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Emergency_Task_Force

"The Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF) is a United States-based, 501-C(3) organization established in March 2011 to support the overthrow of the Syrian government.

SETF is indirectly funded by the U.S. State Department through contracting firms including Chemonics and Creative Associates International."

The first video link on the other thread I linked to was this:

October 12th, 2019 Follow Fiona Hill’s Chemonics Payouts To Kolomoisky and Moustafa
http://youtu.be/Hynz5U5mY0Y

The devil is in the finer details.

Even though I've watched hundreds of Georges videos over the last few years (started watching prior to Trump winning the primary as a candidate), it's still hard for me to see the bigger picture without having researched and documented everything myself, to put it all in the right perspective and give others a really informed type of comment.

I can tell you that no-one else has systematically dismantled piece by piece every part of the back story other than George Webb.
There's no-one.

I'm planning to spend some time watching more videos in the coming weeks and going over it all to try and make better sense of it.

Thanks again for watching the videos.

"Many of them, as well as some of the men, have already escaped from the Syrian prison camps guarded by the Kurds who were obliged to abandon them to defend themselves from the Turks following the withdrawal of the Americans."

I read that almost a thousand IS detainees escaped the other day.
https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html

What else was I going to mention...
Oh yeah, I said 'The US wasn't really trying too hard to beat IS'

If they were, then why weren't they attacking the IS oil convoys going to Turkey?
It was only when Russia entered Syria after Assads request that IS oil convoys (and funding for their war) stopped.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/211624-2/211624/

The truths in the details, not the mainstream media narrative.

April 15th, 2018 Moustafa in Syria - Hooked on Chemonics - Sarin and Chlorine For ISIS
http://youtu.be/5b6F7CwgEwE

"Syrian Emergency Task Force's executive-director, Mouaz Moustafa, is a former field organizer for the U.S. Democratic National Committee and previously served as executive-director of the Libyan Council of North America."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Emergency_Task_Force

Banjo, No worries, from what I have read because the practise has
been going for so long, I suspect long before Mohammad, the damage is
uniform through the whole population. That does not mean all are
afflicted with IQ damage but 13% is said to be risk and those affected
comprise 30% of the population.
Of the rest they may have a variety of disabilities, ranging from none,
not being noticeable, to crippling.
It being such a sensitive subject that there is very little solid
information available to the general public.
I am grappling in the dark to a large extent.

Bazz

I did see a report somewhere that backs up what you are saying, there are quite a
big percentage of Pakistanis ( can’t remember the number exactly) could have been 27% but not sure now.

But it was stated that when these people are let into a Western countries they find it hard to get jobs because their IQ is around 70%.
Apparently,even our army won’t take people with an IQ, that low, because they can’t train them or work with them.

The average intelligence of the Western Races is 100% and the Asians and Chinese,Japanese are around 120%.
People with 70% IQ and it’s not all, will never be able to adapt well or hold down jobs in our fast paced educated societies.
Instead of it being politically incorrect to discuss IQ based on races that marry cousins or just have damaged intelligence,
through being undernourished all their lives, it should be talked about in the interests of wanting the best for our countries future and prosperity.

Cherful,

Using IQ by country we find that...

New Zealand is at 18th while Australia is only 25th and the US is 27th.

Pakistan is 75th but well ahead of South Africa at 95 or Saudi Arabia at 82.

The top smartest 6 countries in the world include China, Singapore and Hong Kong;in fact all Asians.

So what point is there in trying to use IQ as some kind of measure?

To Alon Ben-Meir.

Does it strike you as odd that the very people who hate the United States's use of military and it's size of military, are also the first ones to sound the alarm at the US announcing a withdrawal of it's troops.

Honestly my figurings based on Trump's actions so far domestically and abroad is that he is willing to cause smoke and fire in order to entice the people effected to consider making a deal in one way or another. In other words give them reason to sweat. In this case the security risk in Syria is pitted against the American people's drive to bring back more of their troops out of harm's way. The American people are sacrificing enough sending their troops for extended periods of service with more then enough risk of several of them not returning. What's in it for the sacrifice? To be the lifelong militarized police in explosive reasons that don't want you there to begin with? Withdrawal should always be on the table for any foreign military assisting in international affairs.

By Trump even suggesting to withdraw is at start: a fire set under the pants of those who's interests are protected by the US's military presence. Based on Trump's actions with North Korea, this is not a new move in international affairs. Tell them what your going to do, and see if the other guys have anything more to offer then complain. If after that Trump backs down from bringing troops home, that could be a direct result of other nations making it worth America's sacrifice to stay there and take the role of being a cop to terrorizing governments bent on each other's destruction. Honestly I hope the troops are able to come home. The region is already unstable. Time enough for other nations to help also, or for long term solutions to be offered and not have to rely on forced peace through international military presence.

Chereful; The custom of cousin marriage has been going on so long
in the ME that the damage is throughout the whole Arab community.
Luckily many are affected only marginally, but some have physical
defects instead. It is all up to chance just depending on how the
chromosomes merge at conception.
It is surprising that in tribes of horse and camel breeders such a
custom could survive.
One of the Hadiths tells the story that a man asked Mohammad if it
was OK to marry his cousin. Mohammad replied that he would ask Gabriel
when he next saw him to ask Allah.
Gabriel dutifily did so and came back with the message that yes it is
OK to marry your cousin.
That story could be the source of their troubles.

Re the 70%, I read that was the ratio of cousin marriage in Pakistan.
Was it so before India split, and is it a custom in India or just
restricted to Muslims.

Hey Not_Now.Soon,

I'd be willing to bet the US won't give up the Al-Tanf base or the Oilfields.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/21/kurdish-oil-fields-syria-us-trump/

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/03/08/syria-accuses-us-stole-40-tons-of-its-gold/

If you want to understand what goes on behind the scenes watch this:
October 12th, 2019 Fiona Hill, Crowdstrike, Zelensky, Deripaska, and Chalupa
http://youtu.be/I6r9O1De8cE

Then go watch the other shorter videos I posted here:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20551&page=0#362393

Apart from the neocon agenda, it's all just wars for profit.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-22/donald-trump-kurds-some-us-soldiers-may-stay-syria-oilfields/11625522

"We want to keep the oil, and we'll work something out with the Kurds so they have some money … maybe we'll get one of our big oil companies to go in and do it properly."

Peter King,
Crime and unemployment are going to be a lot worse when you let in enough people
who have a level of IQ that lowers the overall IQ of a society, down from previous levels.
There is a detriment to the progress and behaviour of the society, overall.

Shouldn’t that be a consideration if immigration is to improve and enhance a society not
take the society backwards.

It’s not our fault if the silly fools commit incest because Muslim law does not protect women.

To ArmChair Critic

Ugh. If the military support is for only the oil and the gold, then yeah, send the troops home. Keeping a small force there just means that those who is there is at a greater risk. It's not a compromise outside of greater amounts of death for the troops still there. Either keep more troops there to help stabilize the area while fueling the greed of the government. Or take them all back. There's no reason for the American people to sacrifice their troops to stabilize the oil market, or to do any other covert manuvers.

I doubt that any other nations has leaders that are any better, just more or less what they are able to accomplish for their countries or just themselves. Doesn't make it any easier to swallow if there's merit behind it.

That's the key issue. If the information you gave links to hold merit. Worth listening to and keeping in mind nonetheless. Makes you think it's not the president that's pulling the strings if this has been going on through multiple US presidents. Dark days to trust politicians of any kind.

Hey Not_Now.Soon

"That's the key issue. If the information you gave links to hold merit. Worth listening to and keeping in mind nonetheless. Makes you think it's not the president that's pulling the strings if this has been going on through multiple US presidents. Dark days to trust politicians of any kind."

It's all pretty complicated and confusing but also enlightening to understand what all this stuff going on is really all about.

To Armchair Critic.

I'll keep some of it in mind, but I also think there are crackpot conspiricy theories out there that just try to justify being against one group or another. Without knowing what's legitimate and what isn't that's all a person can do is to listen and keep it in the back of their mind, to wait and see if other things they witness confirm or discredit what they've heard.

If what you've said holds merit though, then this is a bigger issue then who's in the presidental office. Perhaps there is a person or a governmental orginization that lasts longer then 8 years (a president's maximum term of office) that is an issue for several issues that the US does. Or perhaps over the years all the US gets is crap president's that are willing to continue destabilizing efforts in the world for their own profit. (Both options are just as likely, unfortunately).

Most do not understand that the ME oil is not a problem for the US.
They are self sufficient for light oil but do import some heavy oils.
Of course allies of the US like Australia and Europe are in need of
of ME oils. It would cause absolute chaos around the world if the oil
from the Persian Gulf was shut off.
The US, Iran or Saudi Arabia are not in control of the Strait of Hormuz.
All it takes is one email to Llyods of London and we are all in it up to our necks.