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Protecting minorities does not require sacrificing free speech : Comments

By Monica Wilkie, published 24/9/2019

In addition to Victoria, most Australian states and territories are reviewing their vilification laws, in the belief current protections are inadequate and require ‘modernising.’

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Agree.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 24 September 2019 9:24:46 AM
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God all mighty! at school in the 40a & 50s we were taught to recite, "sticks & stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me".

What the hell is wrong with the petals of today that they can't stand a bit of criticism from others. About time we told them to toughen the hell up, rather than wrap them in cotton wool laws.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:40:45 AM
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The Leftists are not trying to protect minorities whom they are just using as a useful tool; they are just attempting to curtail freedom of speech and control Australians. They already have control of the minorities who think that the Left loves them.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 6:41:05 PM
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Dear Hassie,

At school some people also sang the ditty:

"Aussie, Aussie, born and bred
Long in the legs
And thick in the head!"

Words do hurt. That's how you stick the knife in
without leaving a telling gash - do it with
words. The scar will be that much deeper.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 7:41:55 PM
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Foxy,

OH, pe-lease.
Just drop it, your petty pandering to the nancys and neuters, is just boring.
We've all heard it all before.
We don't care.
I'm sick of having to read about guys becoming jelly brains because dreamers like you and others expect boys/men to suddenly become all wussy and re-arrange our selves to suite a very twisted and sick minority such as yourselves.
We are MEN, we grew up getting the sh!t kicked out of us and got on with our lives.
Back in the fifty's and later, life was a bit tougher, both at home and at school.
You didn't see us cry "mummy", because we would cop an even bigger hiding the next day.
Now you and the rest of jelly land might find that alien to your sensitive little minds, but that is the way we grow and become better for it.
You learn to think in objectivity, not subjectivity.
You learn to reject the petty, piss-ant things in life, of which this is certainly high on the list.
It's your kind of corrosive attitude that will be the undoing of anyone who dares to even consider your advice.
Your beliefs belong in a children's fantasy story book, where everything and everyone is sweet and kind and do nothing but smile all the time and tell each other how wonderful they are, because anyone in such a situation must have an inferiority complex, which plays right into your agenda, as it appears you have more than a fair share of a superiority complex.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 11:54:01 PM
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Just to add, YOU might have found the taunts you describe, as "words do hurt", and the crap about scars and so on.
Just because you felt that way only shows how pathetic and out of step with the culture of the day you were, and still are.
So stop presuming that everyone else is as pathetic as you, you are insulting the rest of society, making blanket statements like that.
You have no right or authority to presume such a station, either here on OLO, or anywhere else for that matter.
So pack it in, give it a rest.
If you don't have actual and especially new or controversial comments, don't bother, because your repetition is not only anti OLO rules, it's downright demeaning and annoying.
Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:02:27 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

I've just come across an interesting article in
"Psychology Today" as to why words can hurt at least\
as much as sticks and stones. We've seen examples from
the reactions of people like Adam Goodes, and many others.

Six revelations are given in the article about the
connection between emotional and physical pain. And it's
pointed out that "language has always mirrored the connection
between emotion and physical pain."

We're reminded that we suffer from "broken hearts," as well
as bones and speak of "bruised feelings" along with toes.

And we're reminded that all this seems intuitively right
because we recognise the common basis of the pain we
experience, whether a throbbing headache or the pain of
missing someone so much that you ache.

The article asks - "Is there really anyone out there who
actually believes the line, "Sticks and stones may break
my bones but words can never hurt me?" Look at the number
of suicides that occur by men and young boys.

There's more on the harm that words can inflict at the
following. It's worth a read:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/tech-support/201308/why-words-can-hurt-least-much-sticks-and-stones
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 11:24:17 AM
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Dear Hasby Baby

Agreed matey.

We REAL men reckon all this humanitarian concern for minorities is but a lefty, lisping, latte drinken conspiracy, spread by communist agitators and fifth columnists not to mention the climate change clitoratti.

Cruxifiction is too good for um.

Grunt Uuummm!
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 1:12:14 PM
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I think it's wonderful.
The more she keeps ignoring me, the more she stuffs up.
Hey Oh, self proclaimed wise one, if you're even close to being right, how come, (as much as you'd like it) with all the shtick I put up with growing up, I'm still here, and haven't committed suicide yet, nor am I likely to.
And what's more, I don't go and cringe in the corner every time some clown or smart arse comes at me with their low-brow, left leaning vitriol and abuse.
NO, it's because I did not go down that pansy path you are pushing.
I'm still here, and every time some shmuck tries it on I come back with whatever it takes to put them back in their pathetic place.
Now as for those piss-weak enough to take the gutless way out and top em'selves, too bad, they should have just shrugged it off like I do, because to do otherwise shows that they were weak and the aggressor won on the day.
You see this is why you and people like you are dangerous.
You want to bring down the strong to the level of the weak.
I, on the other hand promote the opposite.
My way, people will be on guard throughout life, for any signs of being taken advantage of, and will front the problem head on, even shirt fronting the perpetrator, if necessary.
You know, it isn't a very big leap to imagine your agenda to be that of the elite, working towards a one world order/government.
Keep it up little girl, you're doing the bidding of some dastardly, despicable and downright evil men.
I wonder if now you are feeling so proud of yourself, having been awaken to this little ditty of a revelation
Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 5:26:20 PM
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Dear Foxy,

A young lady recently described my beloved adopted state of South Australia (or at least Adelaide), as a 'sh!thole.' Being made of tougher stuff than the effete and sexually-ambiguous eastern staters, Croweaters (as far as I can tell) just laugh and say, "Yeah, but it's OUR sh!thole."

In other words, we can tolerate different viewpoints, and laugh off any piddly insult. After all, we have the best beaches and most picturesque mountains close to the city, faster traffic, cheaper housing, and ........

On second thoughts, she was right ! You ignorant others, please stay away ! Bugger off ! Leave our treasures to us.

Sticks and stones, Foxy .....

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 28 September 2019 6:20:03 PM
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Another of Foxy's failed attempts to win a point, but end up shooting herself in the foot.
Upon reading the link, another of the long list she so annoyingly keeps producing, I find that the key statement that both her and the author hang their convictions on are, as usual, mis-placed and incorrect.
Wrong.
Fail.
The author asks, "Is there anyone out there who actually believes the line, 'sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me'"? Then she has the nerve and arrogant impudence to answer her own stupid question, with, "I somehow doubt it".
Lady who gives a crap about what you think, your supposed to be reporting a scientific fact, not adding your mis-informed subjective personal view.
So to answer this person; Well I have news for you and your impudent lot, yes there are such people out there, and they are mature pragmatic people with an objective outlook on life and not prone to pansyism like her and anyone who believes her tripe.
I am only one of billions who should take offence at such a charge but knowing who the proponents are, I refrain with a thought of pity and a suggestion to seek help, rather than attack them physically for attacking people like me in the first place.
So to follow Foxy and co's line of thinking, they could be right because words CAN hurt you as in this case.
They have used words to insult me and Billions of MEN, we in turn respond by breaking a few of their bones.
I get it now, sorry Foxy, I don't know why I didn't see it sooner.
You just might have something there.
NOT!
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 28 September 2019 7:46:20 PM
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Joe,

Well there you go Joe... the example you gave of words
not hurting was not personal. I wasn't about you or
directed at you personally. It was about the city
of Adelaide.

But words when directed at you personally can and do
hurt. Ask Adam Goodes, Marcia Langdon, Andrew Bolt,
to name just a few.

Words and personal attacks can
stick with us far beyond the time of their telling.
You have reacted to some things on this very forum that
you found "disgusting". As have many of us.

When I was in High School because of my European name
and hard to pronounce surname, the fact that I was tall
and slender and good looking (not the usual
Aussie) my peers (girls) didn't look very kindly at me
at first.

They insulted me with words and laughter and I
believed the things they said. So I tried so hard to be
like them. To be accepted. I let their words affect my
self-perception. That changed of course under the influence
of a very perceptive English teacher - who made me
class prefect and gave me authority - and instilled in
me the love of Shakespeare and English Literature.

I never looked back.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 September 2019 8:10:39 PM
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cont'd ...

Joe,

Sticks and stones?

Words can shatter souls.
Words matter.
Choose wisely.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 September 2019 8:16:18 PM
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I'm sorry but did I miss something?
So now the new language is to cater to the weakest amongst us for fear of upsetting them.
I think Foxy just shot herself in the foot again, ouch!
After all that blister and blubber of being "picked on" at school, something suddenly happened and she was magically risen above it all and survived without having to self harm or worse.
So the moral IS, as I have been saying, so you get picked on, you suck it up and move on.
So to any normal healthy person, all this protection and moth-balling will kill even more people.
I liken it to children, when we were kids we played and got hurt and scratched and caught all manner of bugs and ailments, this all helped exercise our immune system so that it strengthened with us as we grew up, and later did us well in protecting us in our fragile years.
This stupid pansy wallflower agenda being pushed is exactly the same.
Protect and shelter people from the truth or the real world, and when they are exposed to it, and there is no way they will avoid it in life, and they will fall and suffer badly in more ways than we can imagine.
NO! stop interfering with the natural order of things, because as has been demonstrated and experienced in the past, it will rise and hurt you much worse than a bit of shtick as a kid.
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 28 September 2019 8:43:01 PM
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Hi Joe,

Words do affect most people one way or another.
Loving words, hateful words, crossing the line words,
It'depends on the way we communicate and how we
express things to each other - this will evoke
a variety of reactions some good some not so good.

In another discussion dealing with an inquiry into the
family law system - there have been many examples given
of men resorting to violence because they claim - they
were verbally abused by their wives. And this is from family
members who are supposed to love and care for one another.
This is not easily explained and suggests that the modern
family may sometimes be under greater pressure than it can
easily bear.

We can see from our own inter-actions on this forum - how
words affect people by the reactions. We've recently had
the moderator step in and take a particular stance against
a post that he found the language to be unacceptable. And both
you and I were also disgusted by it. You even Thanked the
Moderator for his stance, as did I.

"Sticks and stones?" Yes, they do matter. As does civility,
and respectful dialogue. It's called decent acceptable behavior.
And something I'm sure that both of us were raised by our
parents to try to adhere to.

See you on another discussion.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 29 September 2019 9:07:16 AM
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cont'd ...

Joe,

There are many articles on the web concerning the power
of words that are worth a read. It's pointed out that
we all know people who fly off the handle without stopping
to think of the consequences of what they are saying.

We're told that someone who just reacts to something someone
said or did and starts attacking the person with cruel
intentions and malice - the damage can be so profound it will
forever sever the relationship.

In business, this could forever impact a career in a
negative way. At work you have to learn how to inter act
with colleagues, staff, business associates, even members
of the public. Speaking before thinking is not a good idea.

We cringe when we see this happening because we know the results
are not going to be good and people are going to get hurt.
Alan Jones took a dive recently because of the words he used.
Later he apologised for what he said but the damage had been
done.

Think how important words and speaking are to business
leaders, to politicians, to diplomats, to world leaders.

Words do matter.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 29 September 2019 9:32:07 AM
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Foxy,

you are not a credible person and one of questionable values.
Your very own language again maligns you, as you lack the character and the courage to state it is me you are referring to.
Before you can malign others, even if by third person, you need to consider your own standards.
Just because YOU don't agree with something or someone, does not make YOU right.
The language I use is MY language, so how dare you raise yourself to a position of overlord, when you yourself are in a position of contempt, by your own actions and beliefs.
You choose to highlight the support of others including a moderator, nice try.
His job is covered by his rules of engagement, which are set out by his company, so he is not one to judge my language, only the language standards expected on this forum.
To that end OLO is guilty of not explaining, in detail, the actual words and language standards, but leaves it up to the commentors to edit their own comments.
So if you don't mind stop blistering on as an authority on every damn topic that comes up and take a break for as long as it takes to come to terms with the "real world".
Not that your interested in the truth, but you will find that even though I read ALL the comments on topics I find relevant and can contribute positively too, I don't unless I know I'm right, or what I have to say is new and adds to the discussion, not like you who, because you lack an intelligent thought of your own and so you persist in "cutting and pasting", or plagiarising.
That's fine, we understand that because you have trouble coming up with anything new or of your own creation, but you have to be reminded that, it is you who are breaking a KNOWN rule of OLO, and not me who has no specific guidelines to follow, by your repetitious entries of exactly the same drivel, over and over again, to the point of ad-nauseam.
Posted by ALTRAV, Sunday, 29 September 2019 3:13:01 PM
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