renaming unborn 'its' is the exact tactics the nazis used in renaming Jews as non human. It defies logic, biology and is an atrocious excuse for genocide. Instead of just admitting that you think its a woman's right to kill her baby such dishonest irrational is used to justify this cowardly actions.

ISSY,

it might be simple to you but, I'll try and word it another way.
I'll begin with YES, it is abortion.
Just because IT was killed after it exited the mother only adds a legal dimension to it.
It's still abortion, only the process of killing this unborn was undertaken from outside the mother, when normally it occurs whilst still growing inside the mother.
I say it's an abortion based on MY understanding of what "abortion" means.
But ISSY, you cannot dismiss the fact that once IT is 'out', and then killed, is a very controversial topic or act even.
This situation you describe, opens a whole other can of distasteful worms.
Abortion is bad enough as it is, introducing such a scenario as you have described, I doubt will be seen as worthy of any discussion or consideration.
I feel your question is one that requires it's own article.
An interesting hypothesis, never the less.

ALTRAV,

Forget the legal aspects, so you do consider it to be abortion until the child breathes; what if it breathes spontaneously once its chest cavity has emerged but it's still partly in the mother's body (it does happen)?

As far as I'm concerned life begins at conception and the foetus has the right to life.
If society decides that that life be terminated and the right overturned before it is born then fair enough, be it for health reasons, convenience or sex selection.
Some American Indian tribes allowed the mother to kill the child up to three moons after birth, which seems a logical extension.

What gets my goat is the use of euphemisms for the killing; 'kill' is much better, as a word it gives a precise meaning to the act and saves space, ink and paper.

I just read an article that mentions a girl's right to life so I take back the observation on sex selection above, a girl has as much right to life as a boy; what do the feminists think?

ISSY,

I don't know what you're trying to get me to say.
I agree with you, that no matter at what stage you "kill IT" , whether it's a fetus, or during birth, or after IT's out.
At any stage IT is "killed", fetus or later, it is still being "killed".
In the beginning it is a collection of cells.
At the end IT becomes a baby.
So yes at any time throughout the process you will be "killing" something or someone.
Are you finally satisfied, sorry I just could not get the jist of your question.
Be careful though, as much you dismiss the legal aspect, at some point in time it will be illegal to do what is being described as it will be under the jurisdiction of the law.
Especially if you promote the use of the word "kill", that might just be why they prefer to use the word, "abortion", it makes them feel better, rather than being "murderers".