Is Mise

Yes but, by the time you eliminate all the idiots from the mix, that'll be the whole of humanity.

The method of your retrospective abortion extermination proposal, will be the nuclear bomb.

Dan

ALTRAV,

"Your suggestion of using anything, let alone a knitting needle, to kill a new born baby is very distasteful, and I hope you were only trying to make your point more poignant by using such a cruel example".

You said that it was not a human [a newborn baby] until it took its first breath.
so killing it before it takes that breath should be OK by you.

I mentioned knitting needles because they are the weapon of choice for stabbing the unborn in the head before the head emerges, technically it's not murder or an otherwise notifiable killing so is not reportable.

ISSY,

I don't know whether to thank you for that egregious piece of information.
I must move in different circles, or maybe I avoid the nasties of life.
I know abortions go on, both sanctioned and unsanctioned, just like many other controversial activities which have both for and against followers such as the Muslim ritual of removing a young girls vaginal pleasuring medium so as to stop her from "straying" or removing the risk of her "sleeping around", before or even after marriage.
I know of many "bad" activities in life, I just don't need to know the details, such as your mention of sewing needles and how it is used in this cruel manner.
The fact that IT is about to be born and IT has not taken IT's first breath, does not negate the fact that IT might actually "feel" something like having a knitting needle rammed through the top of IT's skull.
That is a disgusting act, if only from a humane point.
So in the context of my submission, you can still end this (yet to become human), future life form, but I do not condone doing it cruelly, such as you describe.

I'm not sure if sex selection abortion occurs
in Australia. I imagine that it probably does.

At the root of the controversy regarding abortion is
a basic value judgement about the human status of the
fetus. If the fetus is considered a baby, then abortion
is a form of killing. If it is considered a mere
collection of cells and tissue, then abortion is a
morally neutral surgical procedure.

The status of the fetus is inherently ambiguous:
it is neither self-evidently a human being nor
self-evidently just tissue (for if these matters
were self-evident, there would be little disagreement
about abortion).

On the one hand, the fetus is not a human being in the
usual sense, for it is generally not viable. Indeed, no
society treats the fetus as human, for example, if the
mother accidentally miscarries, the fetus is not given a
funeral, but it is simply disposed of like any other
tissue.

On the other hand, the fetus is not like just any other
tissue, such as discarded nail or hair clippings.
The fetus is potentially a human being, one that might
become as alive and unique as you and me.

The conflicting value judgements about abortion stem
from this fundamental ambiguity in the status of the
fetus.

The question is further compounded by a related issue,
the right of a woman to control her own body. Then
there are also the rights of the father involved, and
the list goes on.

There's also other abortion-related issues that go beyond
the immediate concerns of the parents, and the child. Some
see abortion as the thin end of a wedge leading to
éuthanasia, or the "mercy killing"of defective new-borns,
wrong sex babies, and infirm old people.

Opinion polls show public confusion on the issue of
abortion. Many people support abortion in cases of rape,
incest, or a threat to the mother's health. But support
for a mother's right in abortion fluctuates.

The rate of abortion in the Western world is
high due to decisions being made primarily in terms of
people's individual personal desires rather
than of traditional norms.

cont'd ...

I should make it clear that I personally could never
have an abortion. But that's just me. I would never
dream of judging someone else's decision. I imagine
it would be one of the most difficult decisions that
anyone has to make.

ALTRAV,

"I don't know whether to thank you for that egregious piece of information.
I must move in different circles, or maybe I avoid the nasties of life."

You're obviously not married to a Health Professional.

"...The fact that IT is about to be born and IT has not taken IT's first breath, does not negate the fact that IT might actually "feel" something like having a knitting needle rammed through the top of IT's skull.
That is a disgusting act, if only from a humane point.
So in the context of my submission, you can still end this (yet to become human), future life form, but I do not condone doing it cruelly, such as you describe."

Once it is outside, but as yet unbreathing, it's OK to kill it, if it is done humanely: is that your position?