Lego.

I agree with the basics you've outlined, but I think your a bit stereotypical.
I hold more hope in the Muslim side of the equation than you. There is more to their history than you imply, which your abandonment of hope towards them gives.

Inside the Muslim compound there is a recognition of a need to mellow it down. That is generally the bone of contention between them.
The Jews aren't exactly homogeneous either, let's be honest. Just as with the Muslims, they suffer the tensions between conservative fundamentalist and the liberal left, (as many here call them).

But I enjoyed your take on it all.

Plantagenet:

No: I exceeded my post limit, and fudged the books by deliberately posting the comment where you were active.

It was important to make the distinction (re Liberty attack), between Israel in a state of pissed-off, and the more urgent position it was in, under siege by its own allie, the U S.

It was a more vulnerable Israel fifty years ago. It's a good example of just how vulnerable.

Dan.

Hey LEGO;
"Oh, I get you now. You are an old style John Birch Society anti semite who's despises the Jews because they killed Jesus Christ?"

No, that's not the source of my opinions;
- And I don't particularly like that you've used the term 'anti-semite' but it gives me an opportunity to address it anyway.

First and foremost, my issue isn't primarily about people;
- It's about ideas, or ideologies.
And the idea or ideology that I disagree with, and oppose, (in this instance)
Is the idea of 'World Government' as opposed to nation states having their own 'National Sovereignty'.

To make it crystal clear for you;
I oppose the idea of being ruled over by foreigners.

- It's as simple as that -
Need it be more complicated?

I'm not motivated by a 'love or hate for any particular race or religion', but about 'ideas' that I disagree with.

It's a completely secondary issue who the particular people in question are who are behind whatever particular idea it is I disagree with;
I have no control over that.

Regards the definition of 'Anti-semitism':
One might argue that there's some dependency between what the ADL defines as 'anti-semitism' and what a fair and reasonable person may consider fair and reasonable criticism.

I always try to argue issues on the basis of their own merits, and I'm quite capable of doing so more often than not;
Also I often add links to provide some kind of basis or context for my arguments or opinions.

"But I still can not dispute the very real contribution to science that the Jews have made to the western world."

I don't resent people for making good business or financial choices and I'd never want to take away anyone's achievements, (academic or otherwise) provided they played fairly.
Everybody has the right to live however they choose so long as it doesn't have an adverse effect of others.

To AC.

For a writer who has posted articles to the effect that the Jews want to take over the world and create a world government consisting of a Jewish religious autocracy, your claim that you are not anti Semitic looks strange to me. But I have my own concerns about Jews, so perhaps others may think that I am anti Semitic? Even though I generally have a good opinion of Jews, and of Israelis in particular.

Your next stated opinion is that you support national sovereignty. Well, on that score you and I are in accord. It is the rest of your opinions, which seem to suggest that the USA is the bad guy, and countries like Venezuela, North Korea, and Iran are the good guys who are the innocent victims of US aggression, which I find bizarre.

So too, you infer that the Israelis are doing something wrong in Israel, by doing exactly the same thing to their Muslim persecutors, that their Muslim persecutors have been doing to them for centuries. If another state told Australia that they seriously intended to exterminate us, and we responded by taking some of their territory to make ourselves more defensible, I don't see how Australia is doing anything wrong. So too, if that enemy state had supporters within Australia, I guarantee that we would be making life unpleasant for our internal enemies, and encouraging them to go somewhere else.

I find it incredible that Muslim Arab states with all of their insolvable problems can never even try and do anything about them. All they obsess about is to crush Israel, crush Israel, crush Israel. It is the sort of thinking that only fundamentally religious people can come up with. They accept that their lives are absolutely miserable and will always be so. Their only hope of a better life is to become a jihadi and live on into eternity on the seventh level of paradise with Allah.

And you support their crazy thinking, and egg them on with regards to Israel?

Cuckoo, cuckoo.

Hey LEGO,
"For a writer who has posted articles to the effect that the and create a world government consisting of a Jewish religious autocracy, your claim that you are not anti Semitic looks strange to me."

I can see how it might be perceived that way by some.

"But I have my own concerns about Jews, so perhaps others may think that I am anti Semitic?"

I don't know what your particular concerns about Jews are;
And I didn't define what being 'Anti-Semitic' is or isn't;
I haven't looked at, nor considered or argued the basis (or merit) of those definitions.
My position would be 'are your concerns fair and reasonable and do those concerns have a basis of merit?'
The goverments position based on 18D is 'are those opinions an extension of your true beliefs?'

Let's take a look at whether my concerns are fair and reasonable and have a basis of merit.

It's probably not a good idea for me to say "Jews want to take over the world" because it might be implied that I meant 'All Jews', which probably wouldn't be accurate, if taken as meaning all people who identify as being 'Jewish'.
There are some who are known as 'Secular Jews', and they may not support the religious beliefs.
I don't know the origin of the word 'Jew' but I assume it would allude to 'Judaism';

Let's take a look at these articles.

[Cont.]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245869

"Let us remember on this Jerusalem Day that our mission here is greater than mere politics or military victory. It is the living, breathing embodiment of an eternal Covenant that, far from being an irritating burden, is a unique blessing that will soon include the entire world within its light."

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/118979/sanhedrin-nikki-haley-president/

"God established the borders of the world based on the 70 children of Israel who went down to Egypt and the 70 nations that came out from Noah. The concept of 70 Nations is from the Bible and symbolizes the basis for the organization while not being intended to imply a limit or requirement for participation...

The concept of 70 nations also appears in reference to the 70 oxen offered in the Temple throughout Sukkot (the feast of the tabernacles) which the Talmud (Sukkah 55b) teaches are for the merit of the 70 nations...

In the Organization of 70 Nations based on Mount Zion, every nation shall retain its language, culture, and traditions. Each nation shall retain its sovereignty in its place without any threat from roaming bands of refugees.

Each nation shall be solely responsible for maintaining a fitting and proper justice system as per the Seven Noahide Laws incumbent upon all of mankind."

See that final statement above?
Does it or does it not state that these religious Jews wish to impose a type of religious theocracy upon all mankind?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

"According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws because they were given by Moses are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in Olam Haba (עולם הבא, the world to come), the final reward of the righteous."

They're talking about the Messianic age.

You criticised me because I said "Jews want to take over the world and create a world government consisting of a Jewish religious autocracy".

Well is this not THEIR own statements not mine?

Does challenging me because I said it not make about as much sense as getting angry at the postman because he brought you the electrical bill?

[Cont.]

Lets return to this idea of Anti-Semitism.

By accusing me of Anti-Semitism, and imposing an idea reserved for one single demographic of people, what you're actually doing 'allowing them' (those who claim an offense by anti-Semitism) to impose religious Noahide laws upon me.
Because under Noahide law, I'm not permitted to blaspheme or speak against God or the religious authority.
You wouldn't like it if Muslims imposed Shariah Law upon you would you?
Well I don't support the idea of any religion imposing their laws upon me.

And also there's a genuine attempt right now to define Anti-Semitism as also including Anti-Zionism.

Even now in other forum threads we're discussing whether Israel Folau's 'Freedom of Religion' entitles him to discriminate against other based on his religious beliefs.
How is that argument any different to this one?

Regards your other concerns / criticisms, I'm happy to answer and give you my stated opinion on those topics but I'll have to respond later when I have more time; and comments as to answer your concerns property it may take more space than the daily comment limit that I have left.