Hi diver dan

Your "Sunday, 7 July 2019 1:35:37 PM" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20391&page=0#360242

Where you say:

"conspiracy theory... And Mox, why would Israel bomb and strafe a US navel vessel without cause...in your words? Shaking hands with friends in a military way maybe? :-)) lol"

For a start read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#USS_Liberty_incident which indicates senior US and naval officers considered the Israeli straffing and bombing of USS Liberty was intentional:

"the then United States Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Chief of Naval Operations at the time,

Admiral Thomas Moorer, some survivors of the attack and intelligence officials familiar with

transcripts of intercepted signals on the day, have rejected these [mistaken identity]

conclusions as unsatisfactory and maintain that the [Israeli air] attack [on USS Liberty] was made in the

[Israeli Armed Forces] knowledge that the ship was American"

US SOURCES OF INFORMATION?

As it says above:

"[US NSA] transcripts of [US NSA] intercepted [Israeli pilot and Israeli higher command] signals"

AND ALSO

Many Israeli NSA operators who had long identified USS Liberty as a US signals interception ship were Jewish-Americans previously worked for (and retired from) the US NSA. After some soul searching some admitted to their former US employers that Israel had full knowledge.

Prior to the Israeli straffing of USS Liberty Israel had been angered at earlier USS Liberty (and other US intercept ship) missions that not only intercepted Arab signals but confiendential Israeli signal transmissions.

Not to Israeli anger at US U2 over (and border) flights taking photos of Israel's (then secret) nuclear weapon establishment at Dimona. http://www.miftah.org/PrinterF.cfm?DocId=2947

BUT FOR BILATERAL AND PUBLIC RELATIONS (AND LOVED ONE CONCERNS) IT WAS FAR EASIER FOR ISRAEL

AND THE US TO OFFICIALLY AGREE THE STRAFFING OF USS LIBERTY WAS "DUE TO MISTAKEN IDENTITY"

Pete

AC

obviously your not a Zionist. So what does that make you then? Goes without saying!

Dan.

CORRECTION - MISSING WORD ABOVE

Not to MENTION Israeli anger at US U2 reconnaisance aircraft over (and border) flights taking photos of Israel's (then secret) nuclear weapon establishment at Dimona. http://www.miftah.org/PrinterF.cfm?DocId=2947

Hi diver dan

I think the USS Liberty comment you made at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8836&page=0#285784 on the Jacqui Lambie thread was meant for this thread.

Cheers

Pete

The likes of mpox should realise that the sexist, criminal apartheid states of Islam, who persecute anyone who is not a Muslim, are hardly in a position to call the kettle black on persecution and land stealing. At the turn of the century, Christians consisted of 11% of the population within Islam, today it is down to 4% and the rest are fleeing if they can. The Jewish component of the middle east now resides almost exclusively in Israel, as they have been driven right out of every other Muslim apartheid state. You would think that the Muslims would now leave the Jews alone? But they can't do that for a religious reason. That is, that wherever Islam has conquered, the muzzies consider that Muslim land forever. Allah would never forgive them if they allowed the infidels they conquered to reclaim their country. This is especially so with Palestine/Israel, as it was the homeland of the Jews for 3500 years and eradicating an entire religion by conquering it's homeland is symbolically important to Islam.

If Israel is a viable state because of money transfers from overseas Jews, which I would dispute anyway, then that simply displays how cohesive the Jews are. This is in marked contrast to Muslims, who while always saying that they are a unified brotherhood, constantly bicker and go to war with each other further bankrupting their already bankrupt economies. No wonder the Muslims admire Hitler. Goering once said of Hitler," his answer to everything was war, and his answer to war was always attack."

The problem is not Israel, it is Islam. A 6th century sexist, terrorism endorsing religion who is trying to exist a modern world using unchanging 6th century morality, and failing miserably. The only recourse it's mullahs and imams have is to revert to the time honoured tactics of every failing tyrant of every dysfunctional failed state that ever existed. Find a way to channel your people's anger to an outside source and blame it all on them. Worked for Hitler. The ayatollahs' in Iran are trying it out now too.

To Armchair Critic.

Oh, I get you now. You are an old style John Birch Society anti semite who's despises the Jews because they killed Jesus Christ?

Look AC, I really admire the Jews and the Israelis in particular. But I will admit that you do have some valid points. The problem with multiculturalism is that you just don't know where the real allegiances of any racial demographic group is, within your own country. This has always applied to the Jews, as they essentially lost their homeland and became part of every nations population. Yet they still maintain very strong kinship links with each other to the extent that the suspicion exists that they are not really nationalistic to the non Jewish host countries they live in, but only to themselves.

Jews appear to have created Internationalism as a way of protecting themselves. International Socialism was invented by a Jew, and even here on OLO, a Jewish author wrote an article saying essentially "we Jews invented multiculturalism". And then they wonder why their host people are leery of them? Thanks a lot, fellas.

Hitler hated the Jews because of the German civil war where the most prominent leaders of the International Socialists battling his National Socialists were Jews. Jewish internationalists and other non Jewish Internationalist gave away the west's nuclear secrets to the Soviets on the basis that the west was as bad as the Sovs. Although it is funny how these Internationalists who think that the west is just awful all want to live with us.

So, I do agree with some of your thinking. But I still can not dispute the very real contribution to science that the Jews have made to the western world. When we talk of western civilisation, we talk of "Judeo-Christian" civilisation for good reason. On the whole, Jews make excellent, law abiding and wealth creating citizens. And one reason why Islam has failed is because it persecuted it's wealth creating Jews so much, that they fled and took their wealth creation and business acumen with them.