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The paradoxical nature of freedom of speech and hate speech : Comments

By Rivka Witenberg, published 2/7/2019

How can we guard against harmful or hateful speech when freedom of speech is highly cherished in democratic societies?

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If we had not listened to the academic fools that created such a snowflake generation we would not have so many offended people. To many people and leech careers have depended upon making people offende by 'hate' speach. On one hand you have the biggest bigots and haters like antifa carrying on like animals and claiming to protect people from hurtful hateful words.

We have unborn babies now called parasites by those wanting to justify murder, homosexuality called alternative lifestyle, and those who don't nod their heads to the gw scam called deniers. I think the left have a mortgage om hatred, bigotry and violence and yet a decent man quoting the bible loses his job and career.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 2:58:28 PM
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I don't think I can agree with most of what ALAN B. said in his comments, but I think these points have merit.

"While it's true the freedom of speech is protected as is freedom of worship.
It can't be used as a tool to persecute or preach condemnation on all disbelievers."

"If what you believe, cannot be proven!"
"You don't have the freedom or right to spread your, learned lies! Or medieval bigotry."

That said, I'm no supporter of the gay agenda.
I could care less what people do in their bedrooms but I don't like the indoctrination of kids, the unfair persecution of others and the normalisation of homosexuality.

Oh and btw, as a male I don't think I'm abnormal because I'm not keen on having another man shove his penis up my date vigorously;
- I think those that do are the ones who are abnormal -

Normally, the male plug is made to go in the female socket.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:00:46 PM
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It's not the paradoxical nature of freedom of speech. Just the paradoxical nature of standing against hatred. But making it a rule "you can not hate." You allow a punishment for those that do, thus breaking the rule yourself. To fight the hatered harder the more you will cross the line and do the things you thought you were fighting against.

Freedom of speech is a stand alone concept that is not a paradox in itself. That only comes from trying to enforce a rule against hatred. To balance the paradox of such rules that have been used in the past to curb racism and sexism to a degree, consider how to do this: Love your enemy. If a person can do this, then they can stand against what they think is wrong, without committing something just as bad or worse while doing so,
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 4 July 2019 5:44:24 AM
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It's almost like deja vu.
I wonder if anyone has looked at this 'free speech, hate speech' thing when it involves, specifically, religion.
You do all realise religion is a fantasy, a fable, a play on words, a farce, and so on.
I think you get my drift.
There are comments after comments, throwing hints at you all, and yet you have all missed them.
The hints are telling you that religion is not based on anything 'real' or 'tangible'.
Recap and you will see that, a person walking on water, turning a singular pieces of food into a banquet, dies and comes back to life, and the list goes on.
I've got news for you all, it's all the makings of a or several fertile imaginations, with a very big agenda.
I will believe in all these 'miracles? and fantasies, if/when God himself either summons me or makes himself known to me and tells me himself.
Until then people, REALLY?
I would like just one pragmatic, objective, mature, person to tell me they really and truly believe in these stories, and make no mistake, these ARE STORIES as told by Mathew, John, Luke, and only God knows who else.
Pun intended.
To make my case even more solid, don't forget, the original 'scripts' were written in another time (over 2000 years ago) language and place, with different beliefs than today, and has been re-written and interpreted a quadrillion times by as many different people with completely, sometimes, varying beliefs and interpretations of the original messages the scripts actually meant to convey to the reader.
I don't want to discriminate, so to clarify, I mean ALL religions, which are actually 'cults'.
700 later we get another con-man, only this one pushes the boundaries of hate, and other vial teachings to a new low, and so another generation of gullible and scared people are conned into being followers and believers.
So anyone remotely intelligent, mature, reasonably informed with an objective view on life and all it's foibles, please treat this topic with the level of respect and comments it deserves.
NONE!
Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 4 July 2019 11:13:32 PM
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The good news about freedom of speech is that you don't get fired, by speaking up about your convictions and beliefs. Even if you get fired up talking about it all, so long as you don't actually cause harm to anyone a person is free to speak.

Now I get a lot of you don't get things from a religious perspective, and how would you unless someone from a specific religion explained themselves. Don't water it down to be about all religions if it's a specific religion in conversation. A Christian can better explain things from a Christian perspective then they can from a Hindu perspective, or a Buddhist viewpoint. The same is true about Hindus and Buddhists, they're far from being good to explain or understand the things that are the things of any other religion that they aren't part of. Religions aren't the same as other religions so it's worth while to discern which religion your talking about instead of talking about all religions as if they are the same. Atheists and agnostics that don't understand this basic concept to differentiate between religions are ill informed to explain the concepts in any of those religions they refuse to differentiate between.

That brings back to the one sentence said before. Love your enemy. After all freedom of speech is quite a problem when it means hearing things you don't agree with and don't want to hear. Creates quite a conflict that can instill and instigate all kinds of violence and vandalism. The conflict of it all is encouragement enough to go overboard, regardless if is about religion, politics, business, or even a fight over two football fans who argue over different teams.

To resolve the paradox of standing up to hateful speech without being hateful yourself a simple practical approach is worth while. Love your enemy. Love the person you are against. Do this and no one's rights will be harmed while you still are able to take a stand on whatever is the stand your taking.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 5 July 2019 4:37:08 AM
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N_N.S, 'Love your enemy'?
Really?
No way mate, can't do that, nor should I.
If a situation has occurred where-by you have been left in such a position of hatred for someone, I would imagine the appropriate action thereafter will not be one of forgiveness, nor should it be even considered, unless the situation was out of his control, well then clearly, we are not dealing with the same circumstances that would lead to 'hate', quite the contrary.
Irrespective of what the 'snowflakes' say, they must not be listened to, they have emotional and therefore mental issues, so be true to the conversation and true to yourself and 'always' say what you mean and mean what you say.
If one is looking for a good example of freedom of speech, hate speech is a perfect one!
The test for me is, does someone have the right to say what they want?
The answer is a resounding YES, if for no other reason you cannot stop them from saying freely what they have the right to say.
And by that reasoning it must include any and all comments, hateful or otherwise!
To do otherwise will be, CENSORSHIP!
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 5 July 2019 5:38:58 AM
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