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The paradoxical nature of freedom of speech and hate speech : Comments

By Rivka Witenberg, published 2/7/2019

How can we guard against harmful or hateful speech when freedom of speech is highly cherished in democratic societies?

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A life lived unexamined is not worth living. So also a belief system inculcated from birth and never ever questioned.

And some of those literal beliefs include a man surviving days and weeks in the belly of a whale. Even though the digestive juices would have left little more than a skeleton. that some trumpet player blew so loudly and with such decibel force he destroyed a defensive wall.

Another than two young men walked in and out of a fiery furnace unharmed. That a man walked on water and fed a multitude from a single basket of bread and fish.

That we descended from just two people and that incest is sinful!

Now, I don't go round telling folk that they need to see a shrink for believing such myth and fable nor do I admonish them for their simple childlike belief! ( Anyone who believes they need to see a psychiatrist, ought to have their head examined)

It's their right to worship and believe how they choose. But none to compel me to believe as they do through, control freak, threats of eternal damnation.

Nor does any of the aforementioned posses a right to condemn, persecute or discriminate on the grounds of difference, as Pete has so adroitly pointed out.

The homophobes commenting here, need to take a good long hard look at themselves, get their own life and house in order and just allow others the freedom to do the same! Too easy!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 2 July 2019 6:24:56 PM
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Rivta Witenburg, and the rest of the loony Left, have a real problem. The Left side of politics once championed the rights of the working and disadvantaged classes, and championed "progressive" political issues, of which free speech was uppermost. Anyone who advocated censorship of any kind was classed as a Conservative or a Reactionary.

But the very numerous working class is turning away from modern Leftist ideals, so the Left needs somebody else to represent. They have chosen as a substitute, every minority group that you can point a stick at. Unfortunately, the behaviour of many of these minority groups that the Left champions, leaves a lot to be desired, and this has resulted in valid criticism of these groups. So the Left needs to shut down debate on their favoured minority groups by making their behaviour beyond criticism. This is especially so in the case of Muslims, who go absolutely, murderously, nuts if you criticise their religion. Shooting cartoonists gives multiculturalism a bad name.

So what Rivta proposes, is that school students must be taught a contradiction. That is, that free speech, and any opinion which criticises the Left's favoured minorities, are two different things. The Left can say what they like, because that is free speech. The Right only talks in "hate speech", so they can shut up, or else. Making people believe absolute contradictory BS has been around for donkey's years, just look at religion. Talking snakes, virgin births, the universe created in 6 days, and people rising from the dead. This art is called "conditioning" by psychologists, and "brainwashing" by everybody else.

What Rivta has done is write a very nice and apparently reasoned argument which explains why brainwashing kids on behalf of Left wing causes is a virtue. The Inquisition, Pol Pot, Hitler, and Stalin, would applaud her logic.

The right of a free people in a democracy to speak or publish on any political or social issue is a moral absolute, Rivta. If you don't believe in free speech, Rivta, then you have become the very thing you once fought against in your youth
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 7:25:08 PM
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Al

Incest meaning:
the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild.

Show me anybody who subscribes to the theory that incest is acceptable.

Are you now dodging the subject most deserving of respect to you, that of homosexuality, often termed "sodomy"

Sodomy meaning:
anal intercourse.

Hope you read your free copy of the well researched book on the perils of homosexuality, I attempted to lead you towards recently.
Here it is again in case you missed it...

Link:

https://www.amazon.com/Health-Hazards-Homosexuality-Psychological-Research/dp/1539983811

Selection from Amazon profile of the book…

*…There is an astoundingly disproportionate incidence of medical and psychological pathologies among homosexual men, lesbians, and bisexuals. Yet the general public knows little about the baneful nature of homosexuality and its associated addictions and behaviours that invite disease…*

And from a reviewer (Dr).

*...Admittedly, this 500 page tome with 98 pages of references in the endnotes, is a challenge to read. It is a challenge on more than one level, in that it presents facts about homosexuality to which the very people who need them won't listen...*

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 7:56:36 PM
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Al

PS

it would be much less boring if you toned down your blistering attacks on people holding religious views on immorality issues.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 8:02:49 PM
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Thanks Alan B.

I appreciate it.

Yes Izzy's biblical fundamentalism has more holes than a priest's orgy in a choirboys' dormitory.

The Bible is so full of:

- Miracles that could impress the pre-science ignorant who couldn't read in English let alone the firewall against questioning of Vatican Latin

- "Putting To Death" for a host of things - not only homosexualality but "Disobeying your parents" etc, etc http://www.thedailybeast.com/all-the-things-the-bible-wants-to-execute-you-for

And the Bible accepted SLAVERY (including in the New Testament) eg. selling 13 year olds quietly for sex Handmaidan Style.

OLO's rightwing fundamentalists should checkout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 8:09:36 PM
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Just to lighten things up a bit.

A Russian and an American were discussing freedom
of speech. The American told the Russian:

"Here in Washington DC, we can come out and say that
Donald Trump is not fit to be President of the United
States. What can you say to that?"

The Russian smiled, thought for a moment and replied:

"In Moscow, we can also say that Donald Trump is not
fit to be President of the United States!"

There you have it. Freedom of speech depends on how its
presented.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 2:12:59 PM
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