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Trump recognizes Israel claims in West Bank and East Jerusalem : Comments
By David Singer, published 17/6/2019US Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, has set a cat among the pigeons with his claim that, 'Under certain circumstances I think Israel has the right to retain some, but unlikely all, of the West Bank'.
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Posted by Alan B., Monday, 17 June 2019 10:54:29 AM
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Something ought to be done about the cruel occupation of Hawaii by the United States of America as the American regime destroyed the Hawaiian culture and even criminalised the use of their language.
Perhaps Israel and Jordan (and why not Australia?) should negotiate on how to share Hawaii between them? This would not do any good to neither Israel nor Jordan, but is certainly a glimpse of light for the oppressed Hawaiian people! Now "The right of the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in at least some parts of the West Bank and East Jerusalem", if indeed it exists (which is none of my business), is the right of the Jewish people (if indeed there is such a consistent body of people) rather than the duty of the Israeli and/or Jordanian people. Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 17 June 2019 11:10:29 AM
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Yes Yutustu, and the dark side of the moon, particularly if the ruler of the world wants to literally be the man in the moon? With a little help from his friend, Rocket Man, could be done soon, the sooner the better!
I hear the Russians are planning a human community there and have started that project with a new interstellar luna restaurant? Well, they gotta eat! They say the food is outta this world and to die for!? But, that the joint has absolutely no atmosphere! Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Monday, 17 June 2019 11:56:11 AM
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Come on singer just admit it.
You think the West Bank and East Jerusalem were given to the jews by god and he supports your ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians. Just like he did with the Canaanites. Well your god might but humanity does not. Israel is a rogue, terrorist state that must be brought to heel before they commit more atrocities and crimes against humanity. Posted by mikk, Monday, 17 June 2019 1:54:53 PM
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Dear Alan,
«have started that project with a new interstellar luna restaurant?» What? a monopoly?!? You know, in 1979 there used to be one McDonald on the moon, but alas it was since destroyed by reckless drivers: "If the player landed at exactly the right spot, a McDonalds appeared. The astronaut would leave the lander and walk over to the McDonalds and order a Big Mac to go, before walking back to the Lander and taking off again. If players crashed directly into the McDonalds, the game displayed a message reading 'You clod. You've destroyed the only McDonald's on the Moon.'" http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=lunar-lander&page=detail&id=1417 Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 17 June 2019 3:11:33 PM
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I haven't been keeping up with the news for a few weeks, but if my memory serves me correctly
- was the deal not leaked 3 or more weeks ago for 'New Palestine' (maybe to test the water) to which the Palestinians immediately opposed it? New Israeli Peace Plan tells Palestinians to ‘shut up’ http://youtu.be/wOXNLCfy_NY "Under certain circumstances I think Israel has the right to retain some, but unlikely all, of the West Bank". 'certain circumstances' - Sounds pretty flexible. What they're actually saying is that they 'could get away with it' if they could successfully argue that it's essential to Israels national security. Just like the false flag chemical attacks in Syria. And Bibi and his doomsday bomb drawings (which looked like a 3rd graders effort) You create some fake crisis or some arbitrary red line out of nothing, and then do some false flag or psychological operation against whichever party in question to deliberately further balkanise and create a situation that would reasonably require these actions be taken. - This is more or less the core of Israeli foreign policy: Balkanise Everything - Even right now it's Israel directing the US sanctioning of Iran; While Israel hypocritically jumps up and down in opposition to BDS. The whole worlds nutty. I'll tell you what else I think too. This whole 'Anti-Semitic' stuff is garbage; and far closer to the truth; being nothing more than an extension; actions and consequences / cause and effect; Of Jews own perceived exceptionalism based of being 'Gods chosen people'. An attempt to impose their religious beliefs 'theocracy' on 'secular' nations under the 7 Noahide Laws, the plan to undermine and dissolve the United Nations in favour of a 70+ nation coalition of governments ruled from Jerusalem. (A place soon to have more embassies than anywhere else) And in accusing people of being 'Anti-Semitic' they're just advertising that theocratic rule they wish to impose upon everyone else. I could go on... But whats the point? Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 20 June 2019 8:00:13 PM
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The best solution is still One State ; perhaps in the form of a bi-national confederation. With an Israeli and a Palestinian republic. But the Palestinian republic demilitarised. Israel should be able to purchase land from the Palestinians if the Palestinians are amenable to it. Fatah should allow it. But forcible seizure of land for settlements is 'ethnic cleansing'. That may have unbearable connotations - but what else do you call it? Also unacceptable is 'collective punishment' of the families of terrorists. Not sure if Israel is still doing this ; but I hope not.
The interspersion of the West Bank makes a contiguous Palestinian state in the West Bank impossible. What these developments show is that for years Likud and its allies have been bargaining in bad faith. Which is not what you would want if you wished Israel to become an example for the whole world. If Israel extends its borders further what we may end up with is a civil rights struggle by the Palestinians. I have been reluctant to support BDS because it may endanger Israel's very existence. But the world cannot stand by and allow another 'Nakba' to happen - if it comes to that. In that instance the world must do something. If Israel expands its borders ; and the Palestinians shift to a civil rights struggle ; the world must support that fight Posted by Tristan Ewins, Friday, 21 June 2019 11:11:13 AM
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Dear Tristan,
«The best solution is...» A solution calls for a problem: whose problem are you trying to solve? Your own perhaps? Neither Israel nor the Palestinians have a problem with each other: the problems they have are rather within their own ranks. Whatever you suggest is not going to make any of them happy! Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 21 June 2019 1:04:20 PM
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Without compromise it will come to war again sooner or later. Yuyutsu ; then what would you suggest if you think I am so wide of the mark?
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Friday, 21 June 2019 2:00:11 PM
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Dear Tristan,
There could be a war over there, because this is what the people there want, it's just part of their life, but why are you concerned? why do you consider this a problem? Why would like to impose "solutions" on other people which neither of them likes at all? Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 21 June 2019 3:28:06 PM
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IN the 50s the USSR and USA were on the verge of war ; then later there developed dialogue, detente, compromise. There was no definitive solution. But at least we avoided nuclear war.
The fact is if Israel expands significantly into the West Bank (as Likud and Trump are suggesting) a Palestinian state will not be viable. It will turn into a civil rights struggle. In that context, 'One State' with equal citizenship in all areas except over the apparatus of force would be a decent compromise. The other alternative is for Israel to evacuate its settlements in the West Bank. But what are the chances? Posted by Tristan Ewins, Friday, 21 June 2019 4:47:29 PM
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Dear Tristan,
«'One State' with equal citizenship in all areas except over the apparatus of force would be a decent compromise.» No sane person would give access into their country to those who wish to destroy it and kill them, not even the Israeli peace-loving Left. «The other alternative is for Israel to evacuate its settlements in the West Bank. But what are the chances?» Yes, this is what I like to see! It could happen if the whole rest of the world unites and orders Israel to withdraw - that's the stick, but there is also a carrot: If America promises Israel to dismantle Iran in return. I truly believe that Israel will accept such a deal. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 21 June 2019 4:58:29 PM
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Tristan Ewins
I know you mean well but it just won't work. The whole planet could gather around singing 'All we are saying, is give peace a chance'; - but it really wouldn't make any difference; If you put a snake and a rat in a room together, do you think that you can create some type of circumstances or social environment where they would get along? The problem is within religious beliefs. Israel will have you think that Muslims are the problem but it's a throw off. The real issue is Jewish exceptionalism, and it comes from religious beliefs. Watch these: The Jerusalem Conspiracy http://youtu.be/syUSQEUpTTQ Know More News / with Christopher Jon Bjerknes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egtsc-Gz35o&t=2414s&bpctr=1561113124 https://youtu.be/83t_Q0Az12o Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 21 June 2019 8:05:35 PM
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After all, he has the indisputable power to recognise anyone's claims to anything, be it all your entire worldly wealth or the sovereign territory of another nation!
Absolutely no question!
Alan B.