To:

David f, Alan B, individual, John Ryan, SteeleRedux, Banjo Paterson, Loudmouth, Foxy, Divergence, and Yuyutsu.

If you have the time or the ability, please look at these videos and give your feed back on them. They are not graphic videos.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k&list=PLRCroccSjXWR9HVr_ooA3ErEAR0SifdwY&index=1

They explainations and interviews with a doctor who performed many abortions and no longer does. He explains the procedures of the abortions and has an interview with the woman who apparently is the president of the organization producing the videos. Each video is shorter then 7 minutes long, or has 2 combined videos that include the explanations for how abortions are done (about 12 minutes long) and the combined segments of the interview (about 25 minutes).

If the videos are inaccurate, untruthful, please say so. Or if there are other kinds of abortions not mentioned in these videos, I hope some of you can shed light on some of the other kinds of abortion procedures.

Honestly we're talking about everything except the abortions themselves. That should be at least looked at by both pro and anti abortion positions. I found the doctor's outlining of the health risks for each type of abortion worth hearing as well.

Dear NNS and Ozpen,

I support Australian law which gives a woman the right to have a legal and safe abortion which kills the human being inside her. The law also penalizes those who would harass her. I think those are good laws. If you do not think those are good laws you are free to use democratic methods to try to change those laws.

david f,

<<A Christian is any one who identifies as a Christian whatever their belief or opinion is. There is no authority in Christendom which determines what all Christians should believe or how they should behave.>>

That is your personal opinion and perhaps that of the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

There IS an authority for beliefs regarding who is a Christian. That authority is the Judeo-Christian Scriptures: "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...." (2 Timothy 3:16).

In those Scriptures the good news of the Gospel that is accepted by Christians is identified: "When you sin, the pay you get is death. But God gives you the gift of eternal life. That’s because of what Christ Jesus our Lord has done" (Romans 6:23).

There is a God-breathed authority for Christian faith: 'All Scripture".

Dear OzSpen,

How do you define who is a Buddhist, Jew, Hindu or Muslim? I define them in the same way I define a Christian. If they declare themselves as a Buddhist, Jew, Hindu or Muslim then I accept them as what they identify themselves. The Australian Bureau of Statistics and I have the same criteria. I see no reason to classify the Christian superstition differently from the way I treat other superstitions. You are free to use Scripture in any way you like. I don't see why I should do so.

Dear OzSpen,

You wrote: In those Scriptures the good news of the Gospel that is accepted by Christians is identified: "When you sin, the pay you get is death. But God gives you the gift of eternal life. That’s because of what Christ Jesus our Lord has done" (Romans 6:23).

In my opinion that is one of the sillier passages of the Bible. There is no such thing as eternal life. Considering the bloody history of Christianity, the Inquisition, the wars of the Reformation, persecution and massacre of heretics, Jews and others, enslaving and slaughter of native peoples, Christian imperialism and other atrocities the Gospels are very bad news, and the world would be better off without Christianity. You don't get death through sinning. You get death because that is the end of us all. Nobody escapes it. I think better of Christians than to define them all by that silly passage. Some Christians, I hope, are more sensible.

Dear NNS,

I watched the video. It is propaganda and not factual. The video assumes the skull of the fetus is in one piece. It is not in one piece until over a year after the birth. A direct quote from the video. “The babies bones and skull are too strong to be torn apart by suction alone.” The skull need not be torn apart because it is not in one piece. There are a lot of soft plates which will later harden and fuse after the birth.

https://skeletalsystemdev.weebly.com/development-of-skull.html
New born skull

The plates of the membranous bones making up the calvarium of the skull are each derived from the primary ossification center, from which bone formation spreads outward. However, the individual plates do not fuse with each other during prenatal development. As a consequence, new born babies have unclosed sutures and fontanelles (fig 9). The posterior (smaller) fontanelle closes during the first year, and the anterior (larger) fontanelle closes during the second year after birth. However some of the sutures remain open until adulthood.

The ‘doctor’ is no more a doctor than I am. A real doctor would know the bones which will become the skull of a fetus are soft and have not fused.

The following refers one to the dishonesty of anti-abortion propaganda.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-messiness-of-reproduction-and-the-dishonesty-of-anti-abortion-propaganda