I found this in Wikipedia:

“A Palestinian can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1948 as Palestine, or a former citizen of the Mandatory Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Before the establishment of Israel, the meaning of the word Palestinian didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region...”
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_Palestinian ]

It expresses a view similar to mine, but apparently at odds with your view, David.

By the way, I would prefer it if you would spell my name correctly when you use it.

I’d also prefer that you did not characterise my online comments as attempts to “mislead” and “deceive”. Such characterisation seems a reflection on me personally, rather than on the opinion/s that I’ve sought to express. I’d prefer you not to make such comments, but rather, that you accept that I’m posting online my honest views which I believe to be based on facts/truth. I would be (to an extent!) happy for you to refer to my opinions as ‘misguided’, but trust you will abandon the ‘attempt to mislead’ style of response.

I did not find your: Mandate (1920), UN (1945) and PLO Charter (1964) dates to be of use. It was interesting to read the PLO Charter (I hadn’t done so before) but did not find anything in it which supported your (unstated but apparent) premise that the term ‘Palestinian’ can only be used in respect of people from Palestine after 1964.

You will find, David, a further link within that given above. It contains this passage:

“Palestinians
“Although anyone with roots in the land that is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza is technically a Palestinian, the term is now more commonly used to refer to Arabs with such roots. Palestinian nationalism, as distinguished from Arab nationalism, did not emerge until after World War I. Most of the world's Palestinian population is concentrated in Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Jordan, although many Palestinians live in Lebanon, Syria and other Arab countries.”
[ https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/glossary-p ]

Garry

Why did you choose to omit quoting the whole of the second sentence from Wikipedia which I set out in full here:

"Before the establishment of Israel, the meaning of the word Palestinian didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region, which in the Mandate for Palestine definition briefly included the area which today is Jordan. Until the creation of the state of Jordan (then called Transjordan after the Jordan River) in 1922, pursuant to the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, the area broadly to the west of the Jordan River was designated for Jewish Palestine and the area east of the Jordan River for Arab Palestine"

Whilst the quoted section contains a number of errors, it makes it abundantly clear that the area west of the Jordan River (22% of Palestine) was designated for Jewish Palestine and the area east of the Jordan River (78% of Palestine) was designated for Arab Palestine.

The UN Partition Plan spoke of a Jewish State and an Arab (not Palestinian) State.

You further state:
"It was interesting to read the PLO Charter (I hadn’t done so before) but did not find anything in it which supported your (unstated but apparent) premise that the term ‘Palestinian’ can only be used in respect of people from Palestine after 1964."

Interesting you have never read PLO Charter until now. The supposed premise you draw is incorrect.

Article 6 states:
"Article 6: The Palestinians are those Arab citizens who were living normally in Palestine up to 1947, whether they remained or were expelled. Every child who was born to a Palestinian Arab father after this date, whether in Palestine or outside, is a Palestinian."

Jews weren't included in this definition of Palestinians nor were non-Arab Christians or other non Arabs living in Palestine.up to 1947. Pretty racist and discriminatory don't you think - especially when the Palestinian Arabs had already gained an independent State in 78% of Palestine when Transjordan gained independence in 1946.

Using the term "Palestinians" to refer to the Arab residents of Palestine only was invented by the PLO Charter.

Thanks, David. Re ‘Why not quote the whole of the second sentence?’:

You had (18April) objected to my use of “the Palestinian people”. I wrote “... the Palestinian people themselves at that time rejected the Balfour Agreement and have continued to do so ever since.”

Then I quoted Wiki: “A Palestinian can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1948 as Palestine, or a former citizen of the Mandatory Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Before the establishment of Israel, the meaning of the word Palestinian didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region...”

Having tentatively established that ‘Palestinian’ with regard to pre-Partition Palestine can be used, it did not seem necessary to include the text that followed. To me, that following-on text doesn’t canvass ‘Palestinian’, but dealt with another matter, i.e. what areas the Mandate for Palestine assigned to Jews and to Arabs.

I do not regard the state of Israel as having legitimacy, and if it’s not already clear, I similarly regard the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine. In short, ‘the winners wrote the rules’.

Your closing sentence “Using the term "Palestinians" to refer to the Arab residents of Palestine only was invented by the PLO Charter.” is incomplete. Article 6 should be read in conjunction with what follows: “Article 7: Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine.” I agree: non-Arab Christians and other non-Arabs (of Palestinian origin) do not seem to be included in the PLO Charter nor in its 1968 version. I don’t know why they were apparently ‘overlooked’.

Collectively, the great majority of the people of Palestine did not want a Jewish national homeland established on their lands. ‘Israel’ was imposed on Palestine by European Jews, the British (et al.), the League of Nations, the United Nations and by force of arms. This was against the long-standing wishes of ‘native’ Palestinians who under the Mandate, saw the Jewish population grow through immigration by over half a million.

#Garry

You did not quote the second part of the sentence because it established that the Palestinian Arabs were allocated 78% of Palestine by the League of Nations as their homeland and the Jews the remaining 22%.

The claim that the Palestinian Arabs need a second state in 2019 - in addition to Jordan which they gained in 1946 - is what has falsely driven the peace agenda for the last 25 years.

Even worse are those like you who claim:
"I do not regard the state of Israel as having legitimacy, and if it’s not already clear, I similarly regard the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine. In short, ‘the winners wrote the rules"

Those winners also wrote the rules for Syria,Lebanon, Iraq, Libya and Saudi Arabia. Do these rules get torn up as well?

To give you credit - at least you have been prepared to finally come out and express your true feelings - which have been hidden under a platitude of evasive comments -that Israel has no right to exist.

You -along with the PLO and so many others who spew out their Jew-hatred in response to my articles in OLO in less sophisticated terms as you - are entitled to your view that Israel has no legitimacy but it will do nothing to end the Jewish-Arab conflict - only prolong and exacerbate it.

What has happened in the last 100 years has happened. We need to try and end the conflict continuing for another 100 years - not try to undo what has happened which will be a recipe for total disaster affecting millions of Jewish and Arab lives.

Guess I can only repeat what I said in responding to your first comment:
"Get over it and get on with life..."

‘No’ to your recent (28Apr2019) comment, David.

You are asserting something (about my use of a part of some Wiki published text to throw light on the use of the word ‘Palestinian’) incorrectly. I know what my thoughts were when I wrote my (27Apr2019) comment. I explained them to you (28Apr2019), however you (‘same-day’) rejected my explanation with the following:

“You did not quote the second part of the sentence because it established that the Palestinian Arabs were allocated 78% of Palestine by the League of Nations as their homeland and the Jews the remaining 22%.”

That was incorrect. Just in case you (or anyone else happening upon these comments) are forgetful/unaware as to what we seem to have been discussing … it was the appropriateness of the term ‘Palestinian people’. Respectfully, David, you seem to have been shifting that ‘Palestinian’ discussion to one of ‘which bits of Palestine went to Palestinian Arabs and which bits went to Jews’.

In my view, you were again disrespectful when you wrote: - “Even worse are those like you who claim [...]” and again: “hidden under a platitude of evasive comments”. David, I challenged Israel’s legitimacy in my very first sentence (17Apr2019), near the top of this thread and I repeated it subsequently. It was stated openly, not hidden.

Notwithstanding this ‘housekeeping’ of mine, David, I’d like to ask you about where you wrote:

“We need to try and end the conflict continuing for another 100 years - not try to undo what has happened which will be a recipe for total disaster affecting millions of Jewish and Arab lives. ”

I’m interested in your wishes for the next ‘100 years’. How do you see the conflict being resolved?

#Garry

Thank you for clarifying your position:
" I challenged Israel’s legitimacy in my very first sentence (17Apr2019), near the top of this thread and I repeated it subsequently. It was stated openly, not hidden."

There is no purpose in discussing with you how the conflict can be resolved when in your opinion the only solution is the elimination of the State of Israel.