JayB and LEGO,

I find it truly staggering that after the massacres
in Christchurch you are still able to continue with
your tearing people apart, dividing people, setting
them against each other, demonising groups and still
being unable to see that all that has consequences
even if you're not the ones with your fingers on
the trigger.

I'm not blaming the West for what's happening in
the middle east. The link I gave earlier clearly
explains the complexities involved in that region.
What I am saying is that we need to take responsibility
for what we say. Especially when it harms others.

However I am tired of having to coninuously
explain my position. If you think that I'm a "Leftie,"
well that's something I shall have to learn to live with.

This discussion for me has now run its course.
I don't see the point in continuing and being repetitive.
I prefer not to argue but simply explain why I'm right.
:-)

Have a nice day.

legal euthanasia, which I advocate for particularly atrocious crimes, is a painless and peaceful means of terminating life – a more civilised means.
Banjo Paterson,
I agree ! But, euthanising them would negate punishment. By all means put them away for good if proven guilty but not until they'e been punished for ten years. They must get the opportunity to reflect on their deed.
Alternatively, have a cyanide capsule in the cell which they can access by smashing a glass & put themselves away ! No-one else is guilty of taking a life then !
All the proven guilty lifers should have that opportunity ! I'm sure I'd choose that option in preference to spending the rest of my life in prison were I guilty of a heinous crime.
It'd free up much needed felon accommodation.

Foxy, it was the left who invented identity politics. They are the ones "tearing people apart." They wish to stir up resentments against white people in our own countries and blame the dysfunctions of every notoriously dysfunctional minority group on white civilisation, which most minorities broke their necks to become a part of.

I blame at least part of Islamic terrorism on people with your viewpoint. You go around telling young Muslims how western culture is unfair, discriminatory, bigoted, racist, intolerant, and Islamophobic, and then you wonder why they agree with you, and want to destroy our culture the traditional Muslim way. How about "taking responsibility" for that?

Throughout the western world, anti immigration forces are building and there is good reason for that. Europeans are starting to realise that if they don't stop third world immigration right now, they will become a minority in their own countries in the not too far distant future. And if you think that is no big deal, you must be insane. You lefties have simply lost the debate. So all you can do to salvage your tottering ideology is to try to shut down the debate. That is not the behaviour of far seeing liberal progressives. It is the behaviour of wild eyed totalitarian zealots who wish to use force to prevent opposition to their failing ideology.

Left wing people were once the champions of free speech against the right wing establishment and the clergy, who defended their privileges and attitudes from public debate using force.

Congratulations, Foxy. You have finally morphed into the very sort of person you once so passionately denounced in your younger years

Foxy: I'm not blaming the West for what's happening in
the middle east.

Let me remind you.

Foxy: Just as a balance try to imagine people running to the mountains to escape warplanes, mothers carrying their dead children in their hands. Their villages and homes turned to rubble.

You implied here that it was the Coalition that caused this. All I did was explain that it was the various Rebel Armies & ISIS. America & the Coalition didn't come into the fray for a couple of years after the scene you have described.

Then to put the guilt trip on us about Christchurch. Do yo realize that over 100 Christians have been killed by moslims in the passed week. Where is their outrage. Not even a sound from you. By your remission you have implied that killing Christians by moslims is Ok by you.

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Dear Individual,

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You wrote :

« … euthanising them would negate punishment. By all means put them away for good if proven guilty but not until they'e been punished for ten years. They must get the opportunity to reflect on their deed. Alternatively, have a cyanide capsule in the cell which they can access … & put themselves away ! No-one else is guilty of taking a life then ! »

Those are interesting reflexions, Individual. I appreciate your input.

To tell you the truth, I think the best outcome is that which seems to be the most common, i.e., for them to be killed on the spot during the attack or whenever and wherever they are identified and located by the armed forces.

I don’t have any confidence in society’s ability to rewire their brains or change their mentality – even less in their own capacity to rehabilitate themselves by simply reflecting on their acts while serving-out their theoretical life sentence in prison.

If they are captured alive, naturally, their ideas, opinions, ideology and grievances should be carefully recorded and studied by the judicial authorities and made available to interested parties. But they should not be allowed to reap the benefit of their sudden notoriety in order to spread their poisonous propaganda around the world via the media.

Whatever revolutionary ideas they might have should be expressed peacefully. Not by mowing down innocent unwarned and unarmed men women and children, peacefully attending a religious ceremony, with semi-automatic military rifles.

Depriving the victims of their lives is irreparable. Justice means fairness. It hardly seems fair to allow the killer to conserve his own life having deprived his victims of theirs. That is a privilege that is contrary to all notions of justice. Even allowing him the privilege of deciding to die himself or not is unjust. That is a matter for justice to decide.

Justice executes the will of the sovereign people. There is no “guilt” attached to its decisions. It does not seek vengeance. It simply carries-out its duty.

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Foxy;
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or
refuse to pay Jizya tax. (9:29)
and many others