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Liberals not liberal : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 12/2/2019

In any other country, a ‘liberal’ defends individual rights against encroaching police powers.

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I believe you've nailed this one David and never ever have truer words been spoken?

Not only are our so-called liberals not liberal but a rabble of deeply divided, for the most part, ultraconservatives. Who to a virtual generic man only need to take one step further to the extreme right to look like the (ticking time bomb of self-destruction) national socialists of prewar Germany.

These folk just do not listen to understand the issues, but merely to counter any view that does not fit their narrative, David. And believe to a virtual generic man, all they need is a better salesman to sell their message?

Even as they sell the country and joe average down the river for either moribund political expediency or veiled personal gain? Post politics consultancy roles etc-etc?

If only we, the rest of us, could be as well rewarded for polishing leather with our backsides and issuing grandiose statements that lead nowhere except further down the economic maelstrom these (economic illiterate/Keystone Kops) visionless half-wits, create in the name of best practise economic management/border security?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 12 February 2019 10:09:39 AM
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Never has a truer word been spoken by both David and Alan. The spooks in Canberra have got us by the short and curlies with their paranoia.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 10:41:38 AM
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OK Leyno

If the Liberal Party = "Police State"

and presumably Labor and Greens are worse.

What political force are you recommending to form Government following the May 2019 Federal Election?

Are you recommending that One Nation or the (Palmer) United Australia Party rule?

Or that you should become PM leading the Balding Gonads Party?
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 12:27:16 PM
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See Live Feed "Morrison government fights for its political life in high-stakes constitutional battle over refugee bill"

at http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-fights-for-its-political-life-in-high-stakes-constitutional-battle-over-refugee-bill-20190212-p50xco.html

COMMENT

Put more simply this evening the Morrison Government is losing the vote to push or block legislation on the floor of the House of Reps and the Senate.

This is destabilising the Government's ability to rule and right to rule.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 5:20:06 PM
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All the independents should gang up on the two useless majors.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 6:33:51 PM
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David,

In my view, you have made significant errors in your assessment.

Firstly, you stated, <<Our governing party is guilty of cultural appropriation. It calls itself a liberal party but it is not liberal. >>

This is not true. The governing party of Australia is NOT the Liberal Party. It is a Coalition government that involves two parties, (1) The Liberal Party (majority status), and (2) The National Party (minority status). There would be no Coalition government without the Nationals and their values.

Secondly, <<The majority positions in the party on recreational cannabis use, assisted suicide and same sex marriage, for example, demonstrate no openness to new ideas or acceptance of behaviour different from one’s own>>

Those are some of the policies of your libertarian party, the Liberal Democrats. Since when did the Coalition government have a responsibility to vote on libertarian policies?

You treated the Liberal Party as a monolith but have forgotten about the diversity within this party that includes liberal conservatism or conservative liberalism.
Posted by OzSpen, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 8:02:39 AM
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True OzSpen

And you'll note Leyno didn't mention the Nationals because Leyno needs the Nationals to help him capture the tiny number of votes sufficient to get him into NSW State Parliament.

How to get into State?

Have a quiet preference deal with NSW Nationals who are in league with rich farmer (water) interests.

So its unsurprising that Leyno's website http://www.ldp.org.au/environment wants to reduce government regulation of water use between rich vs small farmers vs environmental uses:

"...As far as possible, the Liberal Democrats will abolish government ownership and control of water.

They will establish mechanisms for trading water that ensure it is priced in accordance with its value. They will abolish mandatory water requirements on private property..."
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 12:36:05 PM
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plantagenet,

<<How to get into State?

Have a quiet preference deal with NSW Nationals who are in league with rich farmer (water) interests.>>

Do you have evidence to support that statement? Or is this what you surmise?
Posted by OzSpen, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 5:55:06 PM
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Just making an OLO comment Oz.

Freedom of expression!
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 6:14:40 PM
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I'm happy for my comments to be deleted if Leyno or Graham so wish.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 6:47:47 PM
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plantagenet,

<<Just making an OLO comment Oz. Freedom of expression!>>

So they were questions without evidence?

In other words, your opinions and assumptions.
Posted by OzSpen, Saturday, 16 February 2019 2:01:15 PM
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You could also say that Labor is not for Labour contemporarily.

But this is just an attempt by do gooder David to further extreme left ends by attacking the Liberal Party's brand name. Yes he's probably correct that the Liberal Party has moved a little in the Conservative direction. But the Liberal Party has always had a large minority proportion of Conservatives. That is the problem with branding- is the underlying organisation is in flux. Given that parties and politics rely on donations from benefactors- that often don't have the people in mind- this could mean that the Liberal party won't sadly be moving in the Conservative / Traditionalist direction for long. Large benefactors seem to donate to both sides of politics both Economic and Social Liberals to encourage certain policies. But most of these benefactors benefit from globalism and so perhaps would be unlikely to support a Traditionalist Localist political platform- even if it benefits the Australian people.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 17 February 2019 3:39:30 PM
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I don't know why people waste their time with posts by David Leyonhjelm as I have stated before I have gone back looking at his history and never seen one reply to anyone here.

Typical politician.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 18 February 2019 1:48:55 AM
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Philip S,

<<I don't know why people waste their time with posts by David Leyonhjelm as I have stated before I have gone back looking at his history and never seen one reply to anyone here. Typical politician.>>

Libertarian David Leyonhjelm is not the only writer for OLO who does not engage further in the 'Comments' on his articles.

I noticed recently that Rowan Forster's excellent article on Jesus' resurrection did not have any comments by him in the 36 Comments. See: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=20146

Some authors choose not to engage with the posters after the article is published. However, Leyonhjelm has written a lot of articles for OLO and if he doesn't reply to any of the comments, that is a concern for lack of involvement about agreement with or challenges to his values - in my understanding.
Posted by OzSpen, Monday, 18 February 2019 7:51:57 AM
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OzSpen Quote "I noticed recently that Rowan Forster's excellent article on Jesus' resurrection did not have any comments by him in the 36 Comments."

** That is one article, David Leyonhjelm has never replied on ANY thread I have seen, not any article but anything he or someone using his name has posted. **

Big difference.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 18 February 2019 6:09:53 PM
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It is frightening indeed that none of the big parties cares for individual freedom. They both advance a police state which could hit anyone of us at random.

While the article in general is correct, one example is not: same sex marriages. Nothing prevented same-sex couples from marrying to begin with and it ought not be the state's role to conduct or register marriages.

It is sad that the senator is now leaving us and the good fight.

A ridiculous amount of emphasis has been laid on the classic economic feud, the Left-Right stupid thing, so the big parties can seem to constantly quarrel over this minor issue in parliament while in fact they are there to exercise power over the ordinary small people and quash our individual freedoms. Sadly, the author's party has sided with one side (the so-called 'Right'), thus alienating many freedom-loving people from the economic Left-Centre. There should instead be one strong and united party that is a voice for freedom while remaining neutral on economic matters.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 3 March 2019 2:54:17 PM
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Yuyutsu,

<<It is sad that the senator (Leyonhelm) is now leaving us and the good fight.>>

Could it be that he has a negative chance of retaining his federal Senate seat while he may have a better chance in the Upper House of NSW?

I can't imagine his leaving the Senate cross bench if he had an even chance of winning at the election in May.
Posted by OzSpen, Sunday, 3 March 2019 5:55:01 PM
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Dear OzSpen,

I am not a mind-reader!

I just hope for a strong individual+religious freedom-loving party in parliament that does not limit itself by anachronistic Left-Right class-war dogmas.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 3 March 2019 6:07:32 PM
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