The problem is not much Shorten or Morrison but the ideologues they are beholden to. I'd bet London to a brick the boats will come back as Shorten tries to appease a group within the ALP. If Morrison hangs on we will get coal, at least power station refurbishments if not new ones. It gets trickier if a large number of independents creates minority government.

I can understand Liberal voters no longer voting for the Coalition; I stopped voting Liberal when Turnbull and the Black Hand gang took them to the Left. But to vote Labor! Why not wait until you see what other options will be on the ballot paper next year?

It is true that average voters get the politicians they deserve. It is also true that the average voter has as little sense and imagination as the politicians they vote for. Voters have the power to knock the corrupt two-party system in the head. Let's do it!

I think unions served a purpose once, but in today's world irrelevant, except for those interested in power, position and a professional political career.

And need to be replaced by genuine one vote one value inside the new, small L labor party. And in crowdfunding. Unions need to morph into labour-hire companies or employee-owned and operated co-ops.

Which would forever end the need of unions to protect workers' rights, conditions or fair and equitable profit sharing etc!

Bill Shorten presents as a clever lawyer and devils advocate arguing causes that he has neither skin or genuine interest in? But, just to win the debate?

Me, I'll never ever vote for labor no matter what, because they are, I believe, the Labor dog waged by a fundamentalist green party tail! And a bona fide recipe, for a disaster going somewhere to happen!?
Alan B.

I live in Victoria and having lived under the Jeff Kennett
brigade - and now watching the internal mess of the Liberal
Party allowing the "old guard" to manipulate them - I
would have to seriously think twice before deciding who
to vote for. Neither party is very appealing at the moment.
There is still time prior to the next election - will
any of them be able to pull the rabbit out of the hat?
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
It's not looking good though.

Bill Shorty's mother-in-law is a bit of a Dame and an ex-Governor-General so young Billy must be O K.

And not to mention "Shorten was raised Catholic, but converted to Anglicanism..." [1]

Like Rudd assumed [2], there are more votes in being an Anglican.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Shorten#Personal_life

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Rudd#Religion

Labor is the assemblage of enjoyers of bread and circuses.
As long as they've got a beer and their sport to watch, they're not very interested in the plight of others in society.
Sure ...Labor has done a massive amount of good collectively over a century but now it's past its use-by date.
Educated, caring individualism is the key to successful politics today, hence the steady growth of independents.