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The future of the EU in the wake of Trump’s betrayal : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 23/7/2018

Trump has become a marionette manipulated by a master puppeteer, Putin.

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continued............The US is famous for moving the lines and doing so often
As to the wars, the US supplied both sides in both conflicts and couldn't give a rat's about who was dying and for what reason, business is business.
When Germany ran out of money the US jumped on the side that would protect it's interests in the long term especially when the control of the Arabian peninsula (oil) came into focus.
Now Trump is waving the same BS flag about Russian oil warming the Germans. He'd like it to be US oil.
The Australians?.....well the Australians have always been used as so much kitty litter....praised by doing their work well, but used as kitty litter just the same.
Posted by Special Delivery, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 8:34:08 AM
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Very true Special Delivery

Trump takes US allies for granted: Australia, UK, Europe. Trump knows little and cares little about the values of alliances in "making America great again".

Instead Trump respects Putin, a tough guy mafioso, like Trump. Men who rely on their political positions to boost their personal wealth.

Hence about PUTIN's PERSONAL WEALTH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#Personal_wealth :

"According to the Panama Papers leak, close trustees of Putin own offshore companies worth US$2 billion in total. The German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung regards the possibility of Putin's family profiting from this money as plausible."

"According to the paper, the US$2 billion had been "secretly shuffled through banks and shadow companies linked to Putin's associates", and Bank Rossiya, previously identified by the U.S. State Department as being treated by Putin as his personal bank account"
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 11:19:29 AM
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God the hatred of the left is palpable.

Trump would be a traitor if he did not put the interests of the US first & foremost in every dealing he has with any foreign country.

It would be a good result for the rest of the world, especially the UK & Oz if Trump caused the EU to collapse. It has done nothing for anyone but it's elites, & is even more swampy than the US or Oz. Given the right support he might even drain the European swamp, & ours.

Gratitude is a difficult cross to bear isn't it. Our lefties are incapable of bearing it evidently. Perhaps they can't stand the sure knowledge that without the US we would be speaking Japanese, while doing our work as coolies in the fields of Oz.

Yes it suited the yanks to fight the war "over here", in the Pacific & Europe, but they were here, the UK was not.

The much admired Churchill had no interest in Oz, except to use our men to protect the middle east India & Malaya. His words were "Forget Australia, we'll take it back later". The UK always looked after it's colonies, well it did for the most profitable.

Wake up dills.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 11:52:44 AM
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When someone doesn't agree with you cry 'left' as if the word left is supposed to be some sort of catch cry for dismissal of what is said or proposed.
Who gives a flying fukk as to what the yanks chose to do because what they chose was always in self interest and they came into the war when they virtually forced the Japanese into a position of zero choice.
They knew full well Pearl Harbour was going to happen, that's why the only ships in the harbour were rust buckets.
Australia was busy kissing UK backside and leaving themselves exposed.
You look after your own family first, not trying to score brownie points with those that screwed you during the first WW.
The US used the Australians with the same contempt in WW2, Vietnam and to this day.
When Australians get up off their backside instead of continually practicing subservience to those with muscle but no smarts they may be a little more respected in the region.
China has a long memory and the picture of the US gunboat down the Yangtze enforcing trade is as clear today as it was then, and they're simply waiting to see which way Australia jumps.
It may befit Australia to use the word 'No' occasionally.
Posted by Special Delivery, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 1:31:41 PM
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"You'll note the US only sent troops to Europe in WWI and WWII once US Presidents safely knew the US was on the winning side. "

That's just a-historic claptrap.

The US entered the war in Dec 1941. At that time, France was utterly defeated, Britain barely hanging on and effectively bankrupt, Rommel was rampaging across Africa, Hitler a few months earlier had taken Yugoslavia and Greece, and the German army was on the outskirts of Moscow and Leningrad. In the east the US fleet was effectively gone and Japan was about to spend 6 months conquering S-E Asia.

To say that at that point they decided to enter the war on the winning side is ignorant rubbish. Firstly the decision was made for them and secondly few thought that Britain was the winning side. Most, including the Russian high command, assumed European Russia would fall the next spring and Russia would need to retreat to the other side of the Urals. The US initial aim was simply to save Britain and try to retain a foothold in Europe.

As I said, claptrap.But when you're in irrational anti-US mode, facts don't really matter.

"When Germany ran out of money the US jumped on the side that would protect it's interests in the long term especially when the control of the Arabian peninsula (oil) came into focus."

More rubbish:

1. Germany hadn't run out of money in 1941. That was Britain, who, in direct counter-opposition to this claim, the US supported.

2. While oil had been discovered in Arabia by 1941, the extent was still unknown and there was very little production.

3. The US was completely self-sufficient in oil in 1941 and was the major supplier to the world. So Arabia was of no particular interest to the US and certainly not something they'd fight for.

But again, who needs facts when in its-all-America's-fault mode.

Oh and the claims about WW1 are equally rubbish.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 2:53:24 PM
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Rubbish in the Pacific too SD.

The yanks moved in to PNG, & without their logistics & numbers we were gone there. Without the battle of the coral sea, the japs would have taken Moresby with little trouble. Our efforts at Kokoda were incredible, but would not alone have saved PNG.

They asked for no help in Guadalcanal, the toughest & most close run fight in the Pacific, other than a couple of ships from the battle of the coral sea.

After we gave a little help in Bougainville & a lot in PNG, the yanks moved on, & did not want us in the Philippians or later.

Our considerable losses in our offensives in Bougainville & Borneo were down to our tin soldier army leadership, wanting some battles to direct, where none were necessary, or even useful. Those garrisons were to be left to whither away like Rabaul.

Best do a bit of reading mate, it is pretty recent history.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 8:19:17 PM
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