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By David Leyonhjelm, published 9/7/2018If assisted suicide becomes legal across the country, it will in part be because of the Australian Building and Construction Commission.
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Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 12 July 2018 1:19:48 AM
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Yuyutsu,
<<God has no rights - who possibly could grant Him rights? who possibly would tell Him what He can or cannot do?>> This is not true. God has told us in Scripture some of His rights: + Jesus has the right on earth to forgive sins (Matthew 9:6). + He had the right to give his 12 disciples authority to exorcise evil spirits and to heal every kind of illness and disease (Matthew 10:1). + Jesus, the Son of God, had the right to take His life and bring life back from the grave (John 10:18). + God the Father has given God the Son the right to execute judgment (John 5:27). + Jesus has the right of authority over all people and the right to give eternal life (John 17:2). + He has the right to cast people into Gehenna - hell (Luke 12:5). + God has the right to determine times and seasons (Acts 1:7). + He has the right to create any kind of person (Romans 9:21). + God has the right to control plagues (Revelation 16:9). + All authority - every right - in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus (Matthew 28:18). God's rights have their source in His Being. Because He is the Absolute Being, He has absolute rights. No denial of this by people while on earth will cause God's rights to change. He is the unchangeable God (Malachi 3:6). Since He created personal human beings, He has all rights that o people have, being created in God's image. So if human beings, who are lower than God, have civil rights (and they do) that are beyond animals and plants, God's Being has rights that are absolutely and infinitely greater than those of human beings. We are outraged in Australia when human rights are violated. Why don't we express greater outrage that God's rights are violated in Australia? Being atheists/agnostics who do not believe in God's existence will not save them from God's judgment: "We know that when God judges those who do evil things, he judges fairly" (Romans 2:2). Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 12 July 2018 8:42:08 AM
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//Why don't we express greater outrage that God's rights are violated in Australia?//
//+ God has the right to control plagues (Revelation 16:9).// Seriously? You think we should be outraged that modern marvels like antibiotics and vaccines are violating God's right to control plagues? I bet you must have been pissed off when they eradicated smallpox. What an act of hubris on the part of mankind, eh OzSpen? Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 12 July 2018 9:03:07 AM
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Toni,
<<Seriously? You think we should be outraged that modern marvels like antibiotics and vaccines are violating God's right to control plagues? I bet you must have been pissed off when they eradicated smallpox. What an act of hubris on the part of mankind, eh OzSpen?>> Again you've dumped on me another red herring fallacy. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/150/Red_Herring I addressed the facts that God does have rights. My comments had nothing to do with antibiotics and vaccines but God's absolute rights in this universe. Toni, it's time for you to swim with the barra and not the red herrings. Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:33:23 AM
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Yuyutsu,
<<Decriminalising assisted suicide will only save lives: old but healthy people will no longer decide to fly to Switzerland or jump off a cliff while they can, because they could be assured by someone who loves them that if in future they are in great pain or disability then they could be "helped to die" within Australia.>> That's strange logic - killing someone through assisted suicide will save lives! Who's right is it to give and to take life? According to Acts 17:24-25, "He is the God who made the world. He also made everything in it. He is the Lord of heaven and earth…. He himself gives life and breath to all people". That's clear enough. The Lord God gives life and breath to all people. He does not use euthanasia to "save lives". Human beings use assisted suicide. First Timothy 6:13 states, "God gives life to everything". Therefore, whose right is it to end life? It does not belong to the Dr to euthanise people. Let them die a 'natural' death and allow the sovereign God to deal with the time of death. I've just sat with a wife at hospital beside her dying aged husband. The Drs thought he would die on Tuesday but God's timing was Thursday morning. Nobody else has the right to end life. It is God's right to give life to everyone and it is his right to determine the time of death. I'm saddened that you are justifying assisted suicide which is against the rights of the Lord God Almighty. One of God's rights is found in His omniscience (His attribute) - He's knows everything about all human beings and the universe. The Lord God's "eyes saw my body even before it was formed. You planned how many days I would live. You wrote down the number of them in your book before I had lived through even one of them" (Psalm 139:16). Therefore, it is God's right to give and to take life Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:34:08 PM
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//My comments had nothing to do with antibiotics and vaccines but God's absolute rights in this universe.
Which included the right, and I quote, 'to control plagues'. Which modern medical science necessarily interferes with. Try to keep up, ya dozy bugger. It's hardly quantum electrodynamics. //Toni, it's time for you to swim with the barra and not the red herrings.// I'm from Lake Macquarie. I swim with sharks, mate. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/massive-bull-shark-caught-at-lake-macquarie-20170425-gvrnb3.html http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4854664/hammerhead-shark-spotted-in-lake-macquarie/ No herring in the lake though. Not even 'Australian herring' which, isn't really a type of herring at all. And no barramundi as far as I'm aware. I'm not going to attempt introducing them either. That would be ecologically reckless. Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 12 July 2018 1:21:43 PM
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Decriminalising assisted suicide will only save lives: old but healthy people will no longer decide to fly to Switzerland or jump off a cliff while they can, because they could be assured by someone who loves them that if in future they are in great pain or disability then they could be "helped to die" within Australia.
Nobody can indeed kill themselves or anyone else for that matter - the worst one can possibly do is to destroy one's body. However, as long as one identifies with their body and mistakenly considers it to be "themselves", "suicide" remains a sin, same for killing animals.
Nevertheless, secular states have no right to play God by attempting to punish sinners, nor are they capable of discriminating between good and evil or recognising a sin even in broad daylight.