Dave, in seven eights of this article, gives himself a free plug totally unrelated to the subject matter.

Assisted suicide? Obviously unnecessary, with evidence to support the ease and freedom of anybody to choose death by their own hand, in two high profile suicides by jumping in the past few months, from the 280m high Centrepoint Tower Skywalk in Sydney CBD.

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Dear David (Leyonhjelm),

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Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched, David.

Let’s wait and see what (if anything) pops out in the end !

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I don't believe in suicide in any form, assisted or autonomous. And sometimes the act of emotional turmoil that's only minutes long. Because of something exaggerated out of all proportion.

Yes, she broke your heart and you know you can't live without her! But you do, and more often than not, if you're open to it, met that special someone who is right!

Or be granted a hitherto prohibited miracle cure for your, allegedly terminal condition, even where it has progressed to all compass points in your body.

Only God can make a tree and from the day you were born your final, moment and method of departure was already decided.

Trying to circumvent that destiny, is only going to ensure it will be repeated until the time available for advancement is all exhausted.

Only God has the right to play God. Even if a few soulless pollies without a single (genuine) humanising redeeming feature (Jawhol) choose to think and act otherwise, or for some ulterior motive or financial profit.

Or political gain/publicity?

There is a purpose behind everything, including the manner of your death. And it just doesn't have to be as painful as made out. Given excellent palliative care!

When that pain racked death happens it's more often the product of nefarious profiteering or deferred or heartless, duck-shoved, official responsibility/cost-benefit analysis?

Can't be anti-abortion and for assisted suicide!
Alan B.

Can't be anti-abortion and for assisted suicide!
Alan B,
It should not be anyone's business in the first place. A lot of people would never entertain the thought of doing away with themselves & a lot fewer children would suffer a miserable childhood if others who are kept by taxpayers kept out of their lives.

Alan B,

<<Only God has the right to play God.>>

Well said.

However, there is a complicating factor. Do you think God approves or allows abortion, euthanasia, self-inflicted suicide, and assisted suicide as his permissions in a sin-wracked world?

David,

<<If assisted suicide becomes legal ... it is hopefully leading to a hearty outcome>>

Assisted suicide -> hearty outcome is an oxymoron, i.e. 'a combination of contradictory or incongruous words' (Merriam-Webster dictionary 2018. s.v. oxymoron).

That's a 'hearty outcome' for David Leyonhjelm's liberal, libertarian ideology but a death knell for compassionate care.

God has no rights - who possibly could grant Him rights? who possibly would tell Him what He can or cannot do?

Decriminalising assisted suicide will only save lives: old but healthy people will no longer decide to fly to Switzerland or jump off a cliff while they can, because they could be assured by someone who loves them that if in future they are in great pain or disability then they could be "helped to die" within Australia.

Nobody can indeed kill themselves or anyone else for that matter - the worst one can possibly do is to destroy one's body. However, as long as one identifies with their body and mistakenly considers it to be "themselves", "suicide" remains a sin, same for killing animals.

Nevertheless, secular states have no right to play God by attempting to punish sinners, nor are they capable of discriminating between good and evil or recognising a sin even in broad daylight.

Yuyutsu,

<<God has no rights - who possibly could grant Him rights? who possibly would tell Him what He can or cannot do?>>

This is not true. God has told us in Scripture some of His rights:

+ Jesus has the right on earth to forgive sins (Matthew 9:6).

+ He had the right to give his 12 disciples authority to exorcise evil spirits and to heal every kind of illness and disease (Matthew 10:1).

+ Jesus, the Son of God, had the right to take His life and bring life back from the grave (John 10:18).

+ God the Father has given God the Son the right to execute judgment (John 5:27).

+ Jesus has the right of authority over all people and the right to give eternal life (John 17:2).

+ He has the right to cast people into Gehenna - hell (Luke 12:5).

+ God has the right to determine times and seasons (Acts 1:7).

+ He has the right to create any kind of person (Romans 9:21).

+ God has the right to control plagues (Revelation 16:9).

+ All authority - every right - in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus (Matthew 28:18).

God's rights have their source in His Being. Because He is the Absolute Being, He has absolute rights. No denial of this by people while on earth will cause God's rights to change. He is the unchangeable God (Malachi 3:6).

Since He created personal human beings, He has all rights that o people have, being created in God's image. So if human beings, who are lower than God, have civil rights (and they do) that are beyond animals and plants, God's Being has rights that are absolutely and infinitely greater than those of human beings.

We are outraged in Australia when human rights are violated. Why don't we express greater outrage that God's rights are violated in Australia?

Being atheists/agnostics who do not believe in God's existence will not save them from God's judgment: "We know that when God judges those who do evil things, he judges fairly" (Romans 2:2).

//Why don't we express greater outrage that God's rights are violated in Australia?//

//+ God has the right to control plagues (Revelation 16:9).//

Seriously? You think we should be outraged that modern marvels like antibiotics and vaccines are violating God's right to control plagues? I bet you must have been pissed off when they eradicated smallpox. What an act of hubris on the part of mankind, eh OzSpen?

Toni,

<<Seriously? You think we should be outraged that modern marvels like antibiotics and vaccines are violating God's right to control plagues? I bet you must have been pissed off when they eradicated smallpox. What an act of hubris on the part of mankind, eh OzSpen?>>

Again you've dumped on me another red herring fallacy. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/150/Red_Herring

I addressed the facts that God does have rights. My comments had nothing to do with antibiotics and vaccines but God's absolute rights in this universe.

Toni, it's time for you to swim with the barra and not the red herrings.

Yuyutsu,

<<Decriminalising assisted suicide will only save lives: old but healthy people will no longer decide to fly to Switzerland or jump off a cliff while they can, because they could be assured by someone who loves them that if in future they are in great pain or disability then they could be "helped to die" within Australia.>>

That's strange logic - killing someone through assisted suicide will save lives!

Who's right is it to give and to take life? According to Acts 17:24-25, "He is the God who made the world. He also made everything in it. He is the Lord of heaven and earth…. He himself gives life and breath to all people".

That's clear enough. The Lord God gives life and breath to all people. He does not use euthanasia to "save lives". Human beings use assisted suicide.

First Timothy 6:13 states, "God gives life to everything". Therefore, whose right is it to end life? It does not belong to the Dr to euthanise people. Let them die a 'natural' death and allow the sovereign God to deal with the time of death.

I've just sat with a wife at hospital beside her dying aged husband. The Drs thought he would die on Tuesday but God's timing was Thursday morning. Nobody else has the right to end life. It is God's right to give life to everyone and it is his right to determine the time of death.

I'm saddened that you are justifying assisted suicide which is against the rights of the Lord God Almighty.

One of God's rights is found in His omniscience (His attribute) - He's knows everything about all human beings and the universe. The Lord God's "eyes saw my body even before it was formed. You planned how many days I would live. You wrote down the number of them in your book before I had lived through even one of them" (Psalm 139:16).

Therefore, it is God's right to give and to take life

//My comments had nothing to do with antibiotics and vaccines but God's absolute rights in this universe.

Which included the right, and I quote, 'to control plagues'. Which modern medical science necessarily interferes with. Try to keep up, ya dozy bugger. It's hardly quantum electrodynamics.

//Toni, it's time for you to swim with the barra and not the red herrings.//

I'm from Lake Macquarie. I swim with sharks, mate.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/massive-bull-shark-caught-at-lake-macquarie-20170425-gvrnb3.html
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4854664/hammerhead-shark-spotted-in-lake-macquarie/

No herring in the lake though. Not even 'Australian herring' which, isn't really a type of herring at all. And no barramundi as far as I'm aware. I'm not going to attempt introducing them either. That would be ecologically reckless.

Toni,

<<ya dozy bugger>>

You can't get away from fallacious reasoning. This time it's an ad hominem fallacy.

Instead of engaging in a reasonable conversation, you avoid that with the accusations of an ad hominem.

Bye.

Dear OzSpen,

You seem to confuse between rights and inherent power:

"Rights" are a human societal invention - they are never inherent, but always granted by someone else who is more powerful, such as by a king to his subjects. You could argue that Jesus received rights from God (though that would portray Jesus as inherently weak and separate from God), but it would be nonsensical to speak of God having rights, for who possibly could be more powerful than Him to grant Him those "rights"?

«...Why don't we express greater outrage that God's rights are violated in Australia?»

Because when human (right-or-wrong) rights are violated, we feel the pain of the victim and want to help them, thus we become outraged. Nobody can violate God's power!, but if someone foolishly tried to, then we know that God Almighty is not a victim, nor does He need our help to fix the problem.

«Being atheists/agnostics who do not believe in God's existence will not save them from God's judgment»

Very true. But they will be judged for their sins, rather than for their beliefs or the lack thereof.

BTW, a belief that God exists, is either thoughtless or disrespectful of God. Existence is a mundane attribute which belongs to objects such as chairs and keyboards - surely one who looks up to God wouldn't attribute Him with such mundane qualities. Surely no intelligent person would expect salvation from objects!

«That's strange logic - killing someone through assisted suicide will save lives!»

It is one thing to decriminalise assisted-suicide and another to actually commit it and kill someone. I believe and explained why, if assisted-suicide is decriminalised, i.e. cease to be punished by the [secular] state (not by God), then the number of actual occurrences of suicides and assisted-suicides will in fact become smaller.

«Therefore, it is God's right to give and to take life»

Power, not right.

Now surely you wouldn't believe that a human being, try hard as they may, is able to challenge God's will and cause someone to die even one second earlier or one second later?