While any reasonable man would agree wholeheartedly with everything written this letter, those to whom it is addressed to, clearly do not!

This conflict will end when all that is left are a few old, toothless, blind widows tapping their way around, trying to find and kill the enemy! Or a sea of glass that buries the guilty and the innocent alike?
Regretfully, Alan B.

That's very artistic Al....but not true. Israel is there for keeps. They posses all the nuclear capability to ensure the tenure, and will also ensure "nil to none" opposition from the Arabs. Israel is highly advanced on the Arab states, in everything necessary to survival. Russia would be the only threat. Any silly move by them will involve the US.

The US taxpayer subsidises every Israeli to the tune of over $US20k each PA. not to mention US foreign aid, through non-repayable loans, etc etc.

Israel is the largest semi-autonomous military base in the world!

Praise be to the God of justice, (helped along with a large portion of military might, and the US dollar).

Seems to me the state of Israel under its present government is increasingly being recognised as Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine. The more they get away with, the more they take from Palestinians so continued strong resistance and exposure of Israeli excesses and atrocities is very important. The Zionists are largely not even Jews whose ancestors lived in Palestine. Many are lighter skinned ones from the rogue Kingdom of Khazaria that existed around 1,000 years ago north and east of the Black Sea. In fact saw a report recently that around a third of the current population of Israel consists of Jews who relatively recently came from Russia.

Have also seen reports that many Jews in Israel would like to emigrate if they could readily find a better place to live. Many would not like the toxic environment where Palestinians can only be kept subordinate by force. Meanwhile, it seems some Zionists, including Netanyahu like to covertly encourage "Antisemitism" in other countries to try and encourage more immigration of Jews - especially wealthy ones to Israel.

Lately the world has changed with much more ready dissemination of news and views other than the largely Zionist controlled Western Mainstream media. Injustices and atrocities have occurred in Palestine ever since the British promise to set up a Jewish homeland there in exchange for Zionist support of the USA participating on the Allied side in World War 1. Now it seems the more many people find out about Israel, the less they support it. Note some Jews -including Orthodox religious ones are among the strongest opponents of a Jewish state. Note how the BDS movement is gaining support despite attempts of politicians supported by Zionists to stop it. Also, now hopefully awareness of the USS Liberty incident of 1967 will become widely recognised. An all time classic on how Zionists will backstab those who had helped them and thought they were friends if think they can get away with it.

Dear Alon,

I the Gazans have rolled over and accepted illegal iraeli settlements within its midst then Gaza would look like the West Bank does now. Like a diseased kidney with soul destroying checkpoints, water theft, land theft and building demolitions.

Tell me how has relative peace and compliance by those in the West Bank benefited them?

Answer me those questions and we can then look at criticising Hamas appropriately

Israel is a failed political State, but a very successful strategic one.

My words are Semi-autonomous. There are Muslims and Christains enlisted in the Israeli military. Israel funds Christian schools with mainly Muslim students. Strategic!

SteeleRedux.
What on earth are you talking about ?
“Gazans have rolled over and accepted illegal iraeli settlements within its midst”

First of all let me get this into your head. Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza in 2005.

What illegal Israeli ( you really must learn to spell) settlements?
No such thing.

The Oslo I Accord was signed in Washington, in 1993; with the Oslo II Accord, signed in Taba, Egypt, in 1995. Oslo peace accords, which Abbas’s predecessor, Yasir Arafat, signed in 1993 and 1995 with Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli leader.

The accords created the Palestinian Authority as a provisional government, and laid out a five-year timetable for resolving all areas of conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

The accords divided Judaea and Samaria into three sections:
Area A, the major cities where Palestinians were to have full control;

Area B, where Israel would be in charge of security while Palestinians handled civilian matters;

Area C, under full Israeli control. This is where the Israeli communities have been built, all very legally.

Palestinian Authority was given some limited powers and responsibilities in the Areas A and B and a prospect of negotiations on a final settlement based on Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.

Note: Abbas is now in the 13th year of a 5 year presidency.

mox... You are making yourself look stupid.

If you want to post about you stupid Khazaria theory, I strongly recommend you read about the fact that the theory has long been disproved. So you clearly have egg on your face.
This is probably the easiest for you to comprehend
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/khazar-myth-busted-1.5253397

Clearly you also have no idea what Apartheid is, because if you did you wouldn't equate it to Israel.

In Israel people of all colours and races are equal. They enjoy positions in every trade and profession from Doctors, lawyers, teachers to cleaners and street cleaners.

I don't have the time to waste commenting on your vile antisemitic and most untrue comments. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The first article by Alon Ben-Meir without the hand-wringing guilt.

I agree entirely with:

"You criminally mismanage your financial resources. Instead of building clinics, schools, industrial parks, infrastructure, and housing which are all desperately needed, you squandered over a hundred million dollars to build tunnels, buy and manufacture weapons, and train militias. Tell me, what end would this satisfy other than your hollow pride?

Yes, you can fire hundreds of rockets at Israel, and kidnap or kill a handful of Israelis. But you are not now and will never be able to win any military confrontation with Israel-only suffer terrible human and material losses, which you know well from past encounters with Israeli forces.

You cannot demand the lifting of the blockade and in the same breath call for Israel's destruction. You cannot resort to the use of force and buy weapons, and expect Israel to ease access to and from Gaza.

You cannot inflame the public by spreading poisonous propaganda only to nurture hate toward Israel, and expect the Israelis to believe that you will ever be willing to coexist with them peacefully.

You cannot spend millions of dollars on military preparation while denying your own people basic necessities-food, drinking water, and healthcare-and blame it on the blockade."

Hamas sends bombers to Israel, and Israel puts in high-security screening,
Hamas fires thousands of rockets, and Israel builds the iron dome which stops them.
Hamas builds tunnels to send in killers of children, and Israel builds the technology to find and destroy them.
Hamas is left with killing its youth on the fences and sending fire kites.

Check mate.

Until the Palestinians accept the fact that they have been conquered by the ubermench as the aborigines of Australia and the Americas were and accept their fate to be dispossessed or serve their masters loyally they will continue suffer the fate of all dissident untermench.

Dear SF,

You wrote;

“First of all let me get this into your head. Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza in 2005.”

Agreed. That was because their were copping a hammering from the Gazan resistance.

You wrote;

“Area C, under full Israeli control. This is where the Israeli communities have been built, all very legally.”

Rubbish. From Wikipedia;

“The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal, and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.”

“First of all let me get this into your head. Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza in 2005.”

Agreed. That was because their were copping a hammering from the Gazan resistance.

Deary, deary me SteeleRedux,

Hamas were being troublesome, true, but the general consensus from people who remember, and who were very opposed to the disengagement, say it was the fact Sharon was under investigation for fraud. He used this move to get Israeli judiciary,, which is overwhelmingly left-wing, off his back.

You wrote;

“Area C, under full Israeli control. This is where the Israeli communities have been built, all very legally.”

Rubbish from Wikipedia;

“The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal, and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.”

By quoting from Wikipedia you lose any credibility you think you had. That’s the last place on earth to get an opinion.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism.

I have editing rights and can change anything, at any time when I think they are incorrect.

A few points for you to read and digest.

Israel actually has more rights to be in Judaea and Samaria (Which is the ancient biblical heart of Israel) than the Arabs. BTW if you don’t believe the Bible, whose writings have been archaeologically proved, then believe archaeology itself.

Continued below…

Continued.

I don’t have time to write everything, so do some research for yourself. There are a number of reasons why Israel has every right to the land

1. Article 80 of the UN charter laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in Judaea and Samaria, western Palestine, a 10,000 square mile area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an entitlement unaltered in international law and valid to this day and it is enshrined and protected by international law.

2. Check out the Oslo Accords. Palestinian Authority was given some limited powers and responsibilities in the Areas A and B and a prospect of negotiations on a final settlement based on Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
This was supposed to happen within 5 years, As it now stands Abbas is in his 13th year of a 5 year presidency.

3. Then there is The Mandate for Palestine of 1922, passed unanimously by the League of Nations, and founded upon the San Remo Resolution of 1920, set as an article of international law the right of the Jewish people to dense settlement and establishment of a homeland in Palestine (which means, at a minimum, from the river to the sea, including Judaea and Samaria). This still stands.

4. Israel has every right to claim Judaea and Samaria because it was unclaimed land.

Basically in 1948, the Arabs refused it and Jordan took it by force, naming it the West Bank of Jordan.

The land legally belonged to no one, so when Israel claimed it in 1967, they were legally claiming unclaimed Mandate land.

Dear SF,

Repetition is not going to give your false premises any validity.

I too have editing rights to Wikipedia. So what. Wikipedia is a strong starting point for any issue especially if the page is heavily referenced as this one is. To dismiss it so flippantly is inane.

And what is this crap?

“Hamas were being troublesome, true, but the general consensus from people who remember, and who were very opposed to the disengagement, say it was the fact Sharon was under investigation for fraud. He used this move to get Israeli judiciary,, which is overwhelmingly left-wing, off his back.”

Bollocks. The Gazans had fired over a hundred mortars and rockets into illegal settlements and border posts in Gaza before the West Bank really fired in anger.

Those in the West Bank tried appeasement rather than resistance and look where it has gotten them. 2/3rds of their land essentially out of bounds to most of them, check points, land theft, demolitions, water theft etc.

Whatever else the Gazans are a brave lot fighting for their land.

SR,

While "resistance" had a part in the withdrawal from Gaza, the conditions in the west bank are very different, and in spite of "resistance from Palestinians in the west bank the attackers typically came off far worse, and the ability to kill settlers was severely curtailed by building the wall.

Secondly, those in the west bank are still far better off than those suffering under Hamas tyranny.

Finally, the Gazans have got their land back, and where they are trying to invade is recognised as Israel, so what are they fighting for now?

Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

“the ability to kill settlers was severely curtailed by building the wall.”

You really are just winging it today aren't you.

The illegal settlers are on the other side of the wall my friend, you know, the one with all the Palestinians. Of course fences and checkpoints to give a certain degree of separation but there aren't too many walls therein.

And they are not suffering under Hama's tyranny but rather a brutal blockade imposed by a corrupt, pernicious and vindictive government.

Simple fact, Gaza remains whole while the West Bank continues to be occupied and carved up by illegal settlements, where its people live with constant humiliation, fear of house demolition, and attacks from illegal settlers.

Unfortunately the situation epitomises the adage of dying on your feet rather than living on your knees. We use have some respect the former. Now it is just derision.

SteeleRedux

You have seriously lost the plot and your argument judging by your answers to both Shadow Minister, and myself.

It makes for a humorous read.

The contradictions are astounding.

“””The Gazans had fired over a hundred mortars and rockets into illegal settlements and border posts in Gaza before the West Bank really fired in anger.”””

What on earth are you talking about?
How on earth did Gaza fire into border posts with Gaza?
Unless you are talking about the wanton destruction of the Kerem Shalom crossing, thus stopping Israel supplying goods to Gaza and also setting fire to the oil pipeline bringing fuel into Gaza?

When did the “”West Bank really fired in anger””? That’s a new one unless you are talking about the second intifada which ended in 2005.

“”illegal settlements”” ? There are no illegal settlements anywhere, let alone in Gaza.

“”Gazans are a brave lot fighting for their land.””

Oh boy!! READ THIS. THEY HAVE THEIR LAND. THEIR PROBLEM IS THEY WANT ISRAEL TOO.

SR,

Thanks for confirming that the Gazans are not fighting for their land any more and to help you eat crow, please find the map which shows which settlements the boundary wall is protecting:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Barrier_route_July_2011.png

"The barrier was built during the Second Intifada that began in September 2000 and was defended by the Israeli government as necessary to stop the wave of violence inside Israel that the uprising had brought with it.[5] The Israeli government says that the barrier has been effective, as the number of suicide bombings carried out from the West Bank fell from 73 (between 2000 and July 2003 – the completion of the "first continuous segment") to 12 (from August 2003 to the end of 2006)."

Dear SF,

I had written;

”The Gazans had fired over a hundred mortars and rockets into illegal settlements and border posts in Gaza before the West Bank really fired in anger.”

You wrote in reply;

“What on earth are you talking about?”

Well here you go mate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2001

It was July 17 of 2001 before any mortars were fired from the West Bank. Count the number which had come from Gaza. It is well over a hundred. They fought hard to rid themselves of illegal settlements and checkpoints and they succeeded. The West Bank was not so lucky.

And stop saying there are no illegal settlements when the rest of the world thinks exactly the opposite. It shows you as a slimy propagandist .

Dear Shadow Minister,

I stand corrected. While there is a wall along the border the illegal internal barriers within the West Bank have indeed progressed to walls.

They are not there “to defended by the Israeli government as necessary to stop the wave of violence inside Israel that the uprising had brought with it” but rather to defend the illegal settlers within Palestine and the army of occupation that is required to protect them.

Gaza has over 1.2 million registered refugees who are attempting to exercise their right of return. This is why they annually march to the fence. Those refugees what their homes and fields back.

SR,

Thanks for your acknowledgement, I do appreciate it.

Secondly, what makes the 1948 border legal but the 1967 border not? They were both resolved by conflict started by unprovoked aggression against Israel and settled by a cease-fire with no treaty.

Thirdly, given that the original flight from Israel to Gaza was in 1948, I doubt that many of the "refugees" were born in Israel and if the 1.2m descendants are to claim restitution, then the roughly 1m Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab and who make up some of the settlements countries deserve restitution as well.