Yuyustu: Without taxes and the multitude of things they pay or have paid for, well before you were born! Society would be reduced to living in caves as illiterates hunting our food down with a stone tied to a stick! Some of which would be each other! Moreover, taxes are not charity, but rather the fair price we pay for the privilege of living in a harmonious multicultural democracy.
If you disagree, I sure there's someplace where nobody pays any personal income tax? Perhaps a study tour is indicated, which when you've finished? You could come back and tell the rest of us how it's done or possible? Or just stay there, if you survive?
The trick here is to collect them, in a not for profit paradigm that eliminates all the usual unproductive parasites!
Who seem to believe, they deserve frequent free lunches? and or, that the world owes them a living?
Be they double dipping, double handling bureaucrats or entirely unproductive and completely unnecessary tax practitioners, who alone are served by current convoluted complexity!
Alan B.

Yuyutsu

Have you heard the term "redistribution ".

It's the fundamental role of Government. Nothing remotely like stealing.

You and Dave are obviously on the same page here. I, on the other hand, am in a different library.

Y,

So if one is paid in Bitcoin or foreign currency, then there is no need to pay tax?

Dear Alan,

Please read my previous post more carefully: I am not against taxes, only against compulsory taxation.

«Society would be reduced to living in caves as illiterates hunting our food down with a stone tied to a stick!»

Yes, and if most people don't want to pay their taxes, then so be it.

The fact that you don't like living in a cave or hunting with sticks and stones is your own problem - you have no right to impose your desired lifestyle on others.

Realistically, you will find enough others who also don't like living in caves and hunting with sticks and stones, so the issue you brought up is not really a problem, even if a few who think differently to you would opt out and not aspire for the "privilege of living in a harmonious multicultural democracy", which for you seems so dear.

I do share your sentiments over the unnecessary complexity and unproductiveness of the existing tax system.

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Dear Dan,

Redistribution need not take the form of stealing.

I am not on the same page as "Dave" because I do support redistribution (within reason of course). "Dave" on the other hand, does not seem to be opposed to stealing in principle, he just wants government to steal somewhat less, about half of what it currently does.

Unlike "Dave" I don't want government to take less overall (though I would like them to distribute it differently, but that's a different issue), I think that the amount they currently take is reasonable, but they should only be asking for it from those who agree (while those who disagree should refrain from using the money that they print).

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Dear SM,

Technically, foreign currency can be made essentially the same as local currency by way of international agreements. I do not support Bitcoin, but I have no right to prevent others from using it. I do however have a right to deny them services if they choose not to pay taxes.

I don't give a damn what I'm described as or how ignorant people think I am but no-one can deny that there is only one fair tax & that is a Flat Tax where everyone without exception pays the same rate. This will give more people a better standard of living & still enable the go-getters & smart & devoted to money, the opportunity to satisfy their addiction.
Public service salaries must be reigned in also. Only then can we become competitive again & resurrect the many local enterprises that were killed off by the ruthless greedy.

Leyonhjelm asks the question; Do those earning $120,000 receive $34,000 worth of value (tax benefit) from the federal government? Do they receive $34,000 worth of roads, defence force services, courts and public broadcasting?

Leyonjelm in his usual fashion goes on to answer the question with a resounding; The answer is no; the value someone earning $120,000 gets from the federal government is a tiny fraction of the tax paid.

Really Dave, is that the case, you didn't provided any figures as to what the value is. How do you determine for example the value of such things as defence forces for someone earning $120,000. If you believe, as some do, that the murderous hoards are just over the hill, ready to attack at any tick of the clock, about to unleash rape and pillage on you and your family, with the only thing standing between them and you is the defence forces. What value do you put on the DF in that case.

If we are paying a Senator around $200,000, and all he can come up with is unsubstantiated nonsense, then was he worth employing at that rate in the first instance, or would we be better off if he was unemployed after the next election.