I bet opinionated2 knows a few men who are victims of domestic violence. We all do, we just don't know who they are. The few men who do speak up are met with a sick combination of indifference and suspicion. If the violence was bi-directional, as it usually is, his violence will be judged far more harshly than hers. Society accepts any excuse in the world from violent women.

The feminist movement are generally good at understanding the power of language to shape our unconscious bases. They insist on gender neutral language on everything else. However, they won't accept that very gendered language about issues like DV skew which stories we hear and which are kept secret.

I fully endorse efforts to re-evaluate what it is to be a man. However, alot of what people say doesn't seem to match the values they genuinely hold. Every time people want to talk about male victims, we get shut down by 1950s throwbacks who want to insult us for not being manly enough. Wanting sensitive new-age men means accepting that men can be victims too.

Who do we really rely on for the information?...Men's groups?...lmao

If you actually watched Arndt's performance on that video you would see my criticisms were accurate. She took the men's side saying women pull strings.

From my experience the victim male is massively exaggerated.

If two people are having an argument like in a marriage both are upset. Both say things they shouldn't, Both get emotional so they cancel themselves out statistically.

When bullying, threats, intimidation and violence are involved it is usually the men who overstep that mark and then play the victim.

Arndt blames the women's string pulling. It's all she mentioned!

Weak men at the moment are pulling this woe is me crap regarding women's rights. How can a women gaining equal rights be a reduction in my rights unless the balance is out of kilter favoring men?

The 85% breaking of AVO's by men in Qld is a telling figure. Men lack emotional stability when rejected. Men are more likely to stalk...

We can all play the stats don't count game but whining men definitely can't be listened to. I know men who got counseling. Men like to ignore counselors so they pander to the men.

It is women who are downtrodden most in this society not men. It's time for men to grow a pair and be honest.

Are there some harshly treated men? Absolutely, but some how in the minds of dense men they are now the majority...It's embarrassingly laughable!

Most women move on their lives in most cases and many, many men wallow in self pity. Men often find it harder to meet someone else than women do. I think that is part of the problem, however men tend to let themselves go more than women.

What women wouldn't want a beer swilling, sport watching, golfer, beer bellied depressing slob in their lives?

Look around the failings of men are very, very obvious! Women often say they need a wife not a husband because men are often lazy who do nothing to assist at home.

Those bloody women...Fancy wanting a fair go...lmao

Who do we really rely on for the information?...Men's groups?...lmao

Opinionated2

Your sarcasm and sarcastic remarks. demonstrate that this is really personal for you.

Have you heard of Erin Pizzy? She wrote a book titled Prone to Violence and she also has written about working with violent women.

There are a number of researchers who have conducted research into male victims of domestic violence.

"The 85% breaking of AVO's by men in Qld is a telling figure. Men lack emotional stability when rejected. Men are more likely to stalk..."

It doesn't necessary say that you knobhead.
If the orders are placed against men say 80% of the time then it stands to reason there will be similar figures for breaching.. by men.
Why? Because the orders weren't against woman.
The woman cannot breach orders that don't exist against them.
It doesn't say what % of men with Domestic Violence orders breach these orders nor does it state whether the man or woman initiated contact. Often the orders are placed on behalf of the woman but not specifically by them and they themselves have Stockholm Syndrome like your Grandma and are often the ones who reinitiate contact.
After all they don't have the orders against them and often they still care for their abusive partners and toxic relationships more than they care to be alone.

A DVO signals the relationship has no future.
(If it wasn't already evident)

Why not put the DVO on both parties if you really want them both to move on?

And if you admit that men can be victims, why are you making all this fuss when Bettina has only pointed out that men are under represented when looking for solutions?

You are ensuring that male victims never have a voice and that the blame will always fall to men while the solutions for men's behaviour will be devised by women and that women no matter how they act will enjoy complete immunity.

This is not a path that will lead to less DVO's, just our society becoming filled up with feminate soy sipping low testosterone men.
And I'm sorry, only ugly old feminists want those men.
Women will always tend to naturally go for the Alpha male, it's probably in their DNA to find the strongest canditate to breed with.

Opinionated2,

There is a small minority of people, mostly men, who will always be a danger to society. I think about 1 percent of the male population will be in gaol.

That 1% commits about 90% of all crime.

What is interesting is that you are pointing out physical violence resulting in injury, yet the range of domestic violence offences cover a whole range of behaviours, such as manipulation, psychological abuse etc.

I know of a domestic violence case that was not reported in the media. The police were called to a DV incident, they were meet at the door by the woman, who said to the police, he is in there and when the police walked in, the male had been hacked to pieces and decapitated.

//I know of a domestic violence case that was not reported in the media... the male had been hacked to pieces and decapitated.//

And a murder that sensational wasn't reported on? Pull the other one, mate. The media would be all over that one quicker than you can blink. Nothing sells papers as well as some 'orrible grisly murder.