Wolly... How would you know? Show me the in depth studies that you have undertaken to justify that statement!

All statistics are often questionable but you can't make blanket statements like that without evidence.

So we can't trust the police but we can trust the councillors who listen to men's hard luck stories and diversions from the truth?

That interview was a public relations exercise. Bettina's credibility went down heavily when i watched it. Did you watch it?

The "poor men" movement is pathetic! Sure there are women who will manipulate systems but there are also men who do the same.

If a woman presents with injuries should we say they are self inflicted?

Arndt didn't mention that men manipulate also...Funny that!

So what statistics should we use?

I had one friend who committed suicide. When I talked to him man to man, he felt intimidation of his wife was reasonable. He justified the bullying as trying to get her to see reason. She was in fear of him. You could see it in her eyes.

The day the AVO was put on him he went straight back to her workplace to start the intimidation. He was charged immediately. Then the pressure started on the wife to drop the charges. The cops said she had no say over the charges and good for them.

He denied ever hitting her but did everything but hit her to pressure her to come back. He broke his AVO and all the time he was pressuring his wife to get the charges dropped. He simply wouldn't see reason. Many men are very like that!

I spent many hours trying to help him but alas he saw his wife as property.

It was pathetic to watch but he would call himself a real man. He wanted his woman...FFS!

He was never in the wrong though in his mind...

Opinionated2,
Hmmm...
What exactly do you know about the power struggles of toxic relationships? Self Implosion when someone gets their nose out of joint and goes crazy unable to stop themselves pushing the person they care about away.. Stockholm Syndrome when a person loves and will return to someone that continually hurts them and screws them over?

Until you can explain why women are often attracted to the same kind of men that will mistreat them and why they will stay with those who have abused them; just like your Grandma and her 12 kids, then I'm not sure you really understand the reality of things.

Beating a woman is one thing
doing nothing about it is a whole 'nuther thing altogether
It's not a case of whether she 'deserves it' because she doesn't....and those standing around wringing their hands waiting for 'the law' to do something about it are just as weak.
We have a society that yaps about correct conduct and proceeds to do nothing about it.
I remember one fellow got a letter saying that if he continued to beat his wife he'd get his lights punched out and a tattoo across his forehead saying 'I beat my wife'....he left town 2 weeks later.
Personally I don't like tattoos but in cases like this I'd hold the needle

'Tarnish the name of Christianity'....?
Christianity is doing a good job of that itself...it doesn't need any help

Opinionated2

from reading your comments, I feel that you have a huge personal and emotional investment in this issue and it wont matter what I post it will never be good enough for you to consider.

https://theconversation.com/men-who-want-power-over-women-likely-to-have-poorer-mental-health-study-69049

quote;
How do you know what the weather will be like tomorrow? How do you know how old the Universe is? How do you know if you are thinking rationally?unquote

https://www.ombudsman.vic.gov.au/getattachment/f09ddbfa-beec-4ba6-b484-ce54a1854356//publications/parliamentary-reports/crime-statistics-and-police-numbers.aspx

I cannot copy and past the relevant sections.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/police-play-down-african-problem-then-top-excop-is-victim/news-story/8789de0294ffad1f8ce9b4a7397d1797

25 Jul 2015 ... Victoria Police has been exposed vastly overstating the number ofsuicides related ... “There are significant limitations to the data supplied by Detective ... accused the police and Mr Ashton of ``blatant untruths'', a “travesty'' of ...

The Australian.

There is another investigation into Victorian Police crime reporting conducted by the ABS but I have lost the link.

*Note regarding my previous comment:
My comment should not be misconstrued as defending perpetrators of domestic violence; I am merely having respect for the reality of the battleground.

If we don't raise kids to be knowledgeable and well adjusted and teach them how to have healthy relationships and handle difficult situations and instead leave them to rely on alcohol and prescription drugs to cope with being human then seriously what do we really expect?

Opinionated2

http://www.ibac.vic.gov.au/docs/default-source/reports/opi-report/report-of-investigation-into-victoria-police-crime-records-and-statistical-reporting---may-2011-.pdf

https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/vufind/Record/84999

https://www.smh.com.au/national/police-fudge-figures-to-improve-rates-of-solved-crimes-report-20090311-8uq8.html

Anecdotal evidence from a number of sources suggest that the Victorian Police are not collecting certain types of data on certain alleged victims.

Basically any research need to be held to the highest level of scepticism

When facts aren’t enough
Psychologists are quite familiar with the fact that die-hard supporters of an idea aren’t swayed by contrary evidence, which can backfire and strengthen preexisting attitudes3

Opinionated2, I suspect that you will try and turn that arguement against me, which is fine. But examine your own emotional reactions to this.

When I first encountered alot of this information I did not believe it and it caused a bit of a crisis for a while, but the more I explored the more I found our that information is not always that reliable and that we are more likely to believe in research if it confirms our own biases.

When it conflicts with what we believe is true, the tendency is too dismiss it or to get angry.

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