And there's the problem: he worked for a GOVERNMENT FUNDED outfit. The poor fellow is a victim of big government. If he had worked for a private concern, he would still be in the business of helping people. You take money from Big Brother, you have to toe Big Brother's line, which is woman wonderful, man nasty. That's what socialism is all about. That's what Australia is all about now. People line up for other people's money and lose their independence and soul.

My ironed willed mother was somebody we kids tiptoed around but was no match for the average male when it came to violence! I camped for three days and three nights across the road from a now deceased brother in law after he beat my sister so badly she needed both hospitalization for quite massive head trauma and dental surgery to replace her entire teeth! Even so, this street angel, home devil claimed it was all her fault because she denied him his conjugal rights on demand! Just like men who commit mass murder and against their own kith and kin then take their own lives. On almost every occasion there will be a group who say, but he was a good bloke etc. And most violence perpetrated by females inside a marriage is usually the result of battered wife syndrome. Or someone who breaks and retaliates with lethal force after years of abuse, the like of which was occasioned on my sister! Some say the feminist element hs a grip on our institutions. Arguably because the street angels and house devils in our midst, can't get away with their business as usual crap! Which is how almost any decent male would describe this lopsided and patently pro-male article. Which pours petrol on the fire, allegorically Alan B.

Having removed two women from threatening situations I am sorry but I have watched men in action and we are right to protect women more than men.

It is only in recent times that women have been afforded more protection from society...in the past they were unprotected.

My Grandfather, who I never met, thankfully, was a 6ft 1 basher of his wife who was 4 foot 11 inches. He was a miner and she was a beaten, down trodden woman with 12 kids. There was nowhere for her to run.

He was simply a cowardly scumbag!

I am proud to say I despise him even though he was deceased before I was born.

My grandmother was beaten black and blue by this evil piece of crap!

Finally, after untold wife bashers in our society got away with their cowardly deeds laws began to change to protect the women.

The two women whom I helped leave their partners caved in under intense pressure and regretfully went back to their pathetic men and blamed me for helping them. Women sometimes do these things when pressured heavily by the men.

In recent times police no longer allow the women to be pressured into dropping the charges by these cowardly, violent men because the charges are police charges and the women no longer has the control. This is the correct procedure.

If a man can't walk away from a woman who is in his face and resorts to assault he is still 100% a coward. Even if a woman were to hit him, he can either walk or run away or control her with his strength without resorting to violence.

It is men who have the strength on their side.

Has the occasional woman gone too far? - of course...they are human afterall, but often men lie to manipulate and cover their own butts.

If you have hit a woman or are a male terrified women are too powerful you are simply a gutless weakling. Don't blame feminism for your pathetically weak male position.

Look at you and your wrong attitudes.

Out of the hundreds of Indigenous and Islanders I have met and know I would find a handfull of women who have not been beaten. The more secular we have become the quicker the white society is bridging the gap. Not surprising. Yet the abc spent hours on Tony Abbott punching the air a 40 years ago. The feminazis at abc etc contribute to the problem with their sick narratives where women are to blame for nothing. Strangley enough amoung the Christians among the INdigeneous are far more unlikely to offend. An incovenient truth and fact. Unfortunately their are exceptions. And of the course the much higher rate of dv in the 'gay ' community is blamed on those who believe in natural sex.

Runner - Get back to praying with that Pickle Jar of faith you have... I am so sick of mustard seeds...lnmao

No disabled people have been healed yet and whilst you are praying hopefully you won't be typing...lmao

Has God deserted you Runner?...lmao

Why are you so full of hate?

Is calling people Feminazis really ....Doing unto others? Or not casting the first stone? Or Turning the other cheek? or Honouring God through the Son?

If you are an example of God's chosen ones, no wonder society has gone secular...lmao

//If you are an example of God's chosen ones, no wonder society has gone secular//

Yeah, runner doesn't really care how bad of an example of Christians he sets or how badly he tarnishes the name of Christianity, as long as he can get his kicks telling everybody else how much better he is than them. It's really very selfish of him, not that I imagine he cares.

Just putting aside the slide into religion for a sec, and returning to the actual Bettina Arndt article...

It pays to read/view/consider funding the sites Bettina provides:

"A protest campaign [1] has been launched, including a crowd-funder [2] for money for his legal fees and the costs of establishing a full-time private practice offering counselling and workshops. I’ve made a YouTube video [3] where Tiller explains what happened to him."

[1] http://www.bettinaarndt.com.au/the-campaign/

[2] http://www.gofundme.com/jobless-for-telling-the-truth/

[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd8SHW4Rms

There is no denial that males are over represented when it comes to causing severe physical injuries to another person. Drug and alcohol abuse is a very large contributing factor, and if we could stop the abuse of these drugs, the level of domestic violence would fall dramatically.

Erin Pizzey said that she could not extrapolate her own personal experiences growing up in a dysfunctional family.

would it not be fantastic, if we could stop domestic violence escalating to physical violence and death.

Just a few comments on the video...

He says violence and aggression generally from both sides...Generally is a nothing term. Some women getting beaten by a stronger male fight back before going to hospital.

He's always taken an interest in working with men...Bettina has a motor mouth.

When men act out aggressively it is GENERALLY a cry for help...What we punch first then seek help...lmao

Bettina...interjecting weird philosophies a bit much. WOMEN ARE EXPERTS at pressing buttons. WOW! Quick Bettina it's all the woman's fault.

Gee 1/3 of men are victims of domestic violence when you ask the males the others are too scared to say. Come on this is rubbish. Sure some women hit but 1/3 plus? Stop listening to violent men telling hard luck stories Bettina.

I have never come across one relationship where the woman is initiating the violence. Has Bettina lost perspective?

Bettina seems unprofessional. Surprise surprise a man had a degree in Gender studies and reported this guy. Why the surprise surprise Bettina...His PhD not good enough for you?

Show us what he had on his screen.

He was offered a choice and resigned. So he did resign. Of course he wasn't allowed to contact his clients...That's the big bad world, not great but it depends what he had on his screen.

Does Bettina ever show us the evidence? What was on the screen?

He expected a reprimand so it must have been something controversial. I can't watch any more...

So let's do a survey here... In all the domestic violence cases you know of varying from bullying, threats to violence how many people here know the woman initiated the violence?

I know of 11 - Men 10 women 1. We had a neighbour and a friend in volatile relationships and the women would have driven me nuts but I wouldn't have gotten violent so they are 50/50.

So men 10 women 1. But the men always gave a really good hard luck story justifying hitting the missus. Strange that!

Are women sometimes in the wrong...Yes! I don't trust what they are saying! Sorry

I want to give thanks and credit to Bettina Arnt for writing this article.
Well done.

Bettina,
You've identified the 'what'.
And you also recognised something else which you referred to the final two words of your article.
Whether consciously or not you've recognised 'design'.
And so now you must realise you've only begun to scratch the surface of this story and that the real story is yet to be told.

You've identified the 'what';
Now tell me 'why'.

What is the 'design'?
Whose 'design' exactly is it?
Where did it originate?
And
'Why' is it the 'design'?
What purpose does it serve?
To what end?

I look forward to hearing more from you on this topic.

Things I typed above may me misconstrued so I had better correct them.

When I said "The men always had a good excuse for hitting their missus...that was sarcasm. The good excuse was in their minds only - not mine! The men always blamed the women for their own lack of self control.

The two 1/2 points I gave to the women make up the 1 woman. So no one woman was responsible for the violence in my experience. The men's reaction to the confrontation was to throw furniture and push.

So the 1/2 points against the two women were very harsh on the women.

Where was the guy when he accessed his Facebook page to make the comments that were reported? Was he at work? Again why wasn't that explained.

If you place things on your Facebook page accessing at work that go against the general principles of your employer most employers would dismiss. Again we are flying blind on this.

I couldn't watch the entire video because my time is more valuable than to watch that mess. Bettina kept interjecting so we missed any explanations he may have wanted to make.

The fact that he chose to say the line that ended in the patriach when it comes to whose to blame was an indicator of perhaps a bias to men but there was not enough evidence to make that assessment.

Finally the real statistics that we should analyse on domestic violence is the police stats... Not the claims and counter claims of those involved.

In Qld Police Stats 2016-2017 http://www.police.qld.gov.au/corporatedocs/reportsPublications/statisticalReview/Documents/2016-17/AnnualStatisticalReview_2016-17.pdf

A total of 25,678 offences were reported to police, equating to a rate of 524 offences per 100,000 persons.

Males were more likely to breach of domestic violence protection orders (85% were male) compared to females.

52% of all offenders were arrested and 22% were served with a notice to appear.

Sorry I haven't got time to study this document fully. But if 85% of the breaches are men can we blame women pushing buttons? Not likely!

More stats I haven't reviewed http://www.whiteribbon.org.au/understand-domestic-violence/facts-violence-women/domestic-violence-statistics/

http://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/domestic-violence/family-domestic-sexual-violence-in-australia-2018/contents/summary

Something aint right!

Opinionated 2,

firstly Police stats are not reliable or accurate.

Wolly... How would you know? Show me the in depth studies that you have undertaken to justify that statement!

All statistics are often questionable but you can't make blanket statements like that without evidence.

So we can't trust the police but we can trust the councillors who listen to men's hard luck stories and diversions from the truth?

That interview was a public relations exercise. Bettina's credibility went down heavily when i watched it. Did you watch it?

The "poor men" movement is pathetic! Sure there are women who will manipulate systems but there are also men who do the same.

If a woman presents with injuries should we say they are self inflicted?

Arndt didn't mention that men manipulate also...Funny that!

So what statistics should we use?

I had one friend who committed suicide. When I talked to him man to man, he felt intimidation of his wife was reasonable. He justified the bullying as trying to get her to see reason. She was in fear of him. You could see it in her eyes.

The day the AVO was put on him he went straight back to her workplace to start the intimidation. He was charged immediately. Then the pressure started on the wife to drop the charges. The cops said she had no say over the charges and good for them.

He denied ever hitting her but did everything but hit her to pressure her to come back. He broke his AVO and all the time he was pressuring his wife to get the charges dropped. He simply wouldn't see reason. Many men are very like that!

I spent many hours trying to help him but alas he saw his wife as property.

It was pathetic to watch but he would call himself a real man. He wanted his woman...FFS!

He was never in the wrong though in his mind...

Opinionated2,
Hmmm...
What exactly do you know about the power struggles of toxic relationships? Self Implosion when someone gets their nose out of joint and goes crazy unable to stop themselves pushing the person they care about away.. Stockholm Syndrome when a person loves and will return to someone that continually hurts them and screws them over?

Until you can explain why women are often attracted to the same kind of men that will mistreat them and why they will stay with those who have abused them; just like your Grandma and her 12 kids, then I'm not sure you really understand the reality of things.

Beating a woman is one thing
doing nothing about it is a whole 'nuther thing altogether
It's not a case of whether she 'deserves it' because she doesn't....and those standing around wringing their hands waiting for 'the law' to do something about it are just as weak.
We have a society that yaps about correct conduct and proceeds to do nothing about it.
I remember one fellow got a letter saying that if he continued to beat his wife he'd get his lights punched out and a tattoo across his forehead saying 'I beat my wife'....he left town 2 weeks later.
Personally I don't like tattoos but in cases like this I'd hold the needle

'Tarnish the name of Christianity'....?
Christianity is doing a good job of that itself...it doesn't need any help

Opinionated2

from reading your comments, I feel that you have a huge personal and emotional investment in this issue and it wont matter what I post it will never be good enough for you to consider.

https://theconversation.com/men-who-want-power-over-women-likely-to-have-poorer-mental-health-study-69049

quote;
How do you know what the weather will be like tomorrow? How do you know how old the Universe is? How do you know if you are thinking rationally?unquote

https://www.ombudsman.vic.gov.au/getattachment/f09ddbfa-beec-4ba6-b484-ce54a1854356//publications/parliamentary-reports/crime-statistics-and-police-numbers.aspx

I cannot copy and past the relevant sections.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/police-play-down-african-problem-then-top-excop-is-victim/news-story/8789de0294ffad1f8ce9b4a7397d1797

25 Jul 2015 ... Victoria Police has been exposed vastly overstating the number ofsuicides related ... “There are significant limitations to the data supplied by Detective ... accused the police and Mr Ashton of ``blatant untruths'', a “travesty'' of ...

The Australian.

There is another investigation into Victorian Police crime reporting conducted by the ABS but I have lost the link.

*Note regarding my previous comment:
My comment should not be misconstrued as defending perpetrators of domestic violence; I am merely having respect for the reality of the battleground.

If we don't raise kids to be knowledgeable and well adjusted and teach them how to have healthy relationships and handle difficult situations and instead leave them to rely on alcohol and prescription drugs to cope with being human then seriously what do we really expect?

Opinionated2

http://www.ibac.vic.gov.au/docs/default-source/reports/opi-report/report-of-investigation-into-victoria-police-crime-records-and-statistical-reporting---may-2011-.pdf

https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/vufind/Record/84999

https://www.smh.com.au/national/police-fudge-figures-to-improve-rates-of-solved-crimes-report-20090311-8uq8.html

Anecdotal evidence from a number of sources suggest that the Victorian Police are not collecting certain types of data on certain alleged victims.

Basically any research need to be held to the highest level of scepticism

When facts aren’t enough
Psychologists are quite familiar with the fact that die-hard supporters of an idea aren’t swayed by contrary evidence, which can backfire and strengthen preexisting attitudes3

Opinionated2, I suspect that you will try and turn that arguement against me, which is fine. But examine your own emotional reactions to this.

When I first encountered alot of this information I did not believe it and it caused a bit of a crisis for a while, but the more I explored the more I found our that information is not always that reliable and that we are more likely to believe in research if it confirms our own biases.

When it conflicts with what we believe is true, the tendency is too dismiss it or to get angry.

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I bet opinionated2 knows a few men who are victims of domestic violence. We all do, we just don't know who they are. The few men who do speak up are met with a sick combination of indifference and suspicion. If the violence was bi-directional, as it usually is, his violence will be judged far more harshly than hers. Society accepts any excuse in the world from violent women.

The feminist movement are generally good at understanding the power of language to shape our unconscious bases. They insist on gender neutral language on everything else. However, they won't accept that very gendered language about issues like DV skew which stories we hear and which are kept secret.

I fully endorse efforts to re-evaluate what it is to be a man. However, alot of what people say doesn't seem to match the values they genuinely hold. Every time people want to talk about male victims, we get shut down by 1950s throwbacks who want to insult us for not being manly enough. Wanting sensitive new-age men means accepting that men can be victims too.

Who do we really rely on for the information?...Men's groups?...lmao

If you actually watched Arndt's performance on that video you would see my criticisms were accurate. She took the men's side saying women pull strings.

From my experience the victim male is massively exaggerated.

If two people are having an argument like in a marriage both are upset. Both say things they shouldn't, Both get emotional so they cancel themselves out statistically.

When bullying, threats, intimidation and violence are involved it is usually the men who overstep that mark and then play the victim.

Arndt blames the women's string pulling. It's all she mentioned!

Weak men at the moment are pulling this woe is me crap regarding women's rights. How can a women gaining equal rights be a reduction in my rights unless the balance is out of kilter favoring men?

The 85% breaking of AVO's by men in Qld is a telling figure. Men lack emotional stability when rejected. Men are more likely to stalk...

We can all play the stats don't count game but whining men definitely can't be listened to. I know men who got counseling. Men like to ignore counselors so they pander to the men.

It is women who are downtrodden most in this society not men. It's time for men to grow a pair and be honest.

Are there some harshly treated men? Absolutely, but some how in the minds of dense men they are now the majority...It's embarrassingly laughable!

Most women move on their lives in most cases and many, many men wallow in self pity. Men often find it harder to meet someone else than women do. I think that is part of the problem, however men tend to let themselves go more than women.

What women wouldn't want a beer swilling, sport watching, golfer, beer bellied depressing slob in their lives?

Look around the failings of men are very, very obvious! Women often say they need a wife not a husband because men are often lazy who do nothing to assist at home.

Those bloody women...Fancy wanting a fair go...lmao

Who do we really rely on for the information?...Men's groups?...lmao

Opinionated2

Your sarcasm and sarcastic remarks. demonstrate that this is really personal for you.

Have you heard of Erin Pizzy? She wrote a book titled Prone to Violence and she also has written about working with violent women.

There are a number of researchers who have conducted research into male victims of domestic violence.

"The 85% breaking of AVO's by men in Qld is a telling figure. Men lack emotional stability when rejected. Men are more likely to stalk..."

It doesn't necessary say that you knobhead.
If the orders are placed against men say 80% of the time then it stands to reason there will be similar figures for breaching.. by men.
Why? Because the orders weren't against woman.
The woman cannot breach orders that don't exist against them.
It doesn't say what % of men with Domestic Violence orders breach these orders nor does it state whether the man or woman initiated contact. Often the orders are placed on behalf of the woman but not specifically by them and they themselves have Stockholm Syndrome like your Grandma and are often the ones who reinitiate contact.
After all they don't have the orders against them and often they still care for their abusive partners and toxic relationships more than they care to be alone.

A DVO signals the relationship has no future.
(If it wasn't already evident)

Why not put the DVO on both parties if you really want them both to move on?

And if you admit that men can be victims, why are you making all this fuss when Bettina has only pointed out that men are under represented when looking for solutions?

You are ensuring that male victims never have a voice and that the blame will always fall to men while the solutions for men's behaviour will be devised by women and that women no matter how they act will enjoy complete immunity.

This is not a path that will lead to less DVO's, just our society becoming filled up with feminate soy sipping low testosterone men.
And I'm sorry, only ugly old feminists want those men.
Women will always tend to naturally go for the Alpha male, it's probably in their DNA to find the strongest canditate to breed with.

Opinionated2,

There is a small minority of people, mostly men, who will always be a danger to society. I think about 1 percent of the male population will be in gaol.

That 1% commits about 90% of all crime.

What is interesting is that you are pointing out physical violence resulting in injury, yet the range of domestic violence offences cover a whole range of behaviours, such as manipulation, psychological abuse etc.

I know of a domestic violence case that was not reported in the media. The police were called to a DV incident, they were meet at the door by the woman, who said to the police, he is in there and when the police walked in, the male had been hacked to pieces and decapitated.

//I know of a domestic violence case that was not reported in the media... the male had been hacked to pieces and decapitated.//

And a murder that sensational wasn't reported on? Pull the other one, mate. The media would be all over that one quicker than you can blink. Nothing sells papers as well as some 'orrible grisly murder.

Yeah, Toni, when possible offenders sink to making stuff up to defend the undefendable, forgive the unforgivable, excuse the inexcusable. You know that their flimsy argument is entirely without merit! The Stockholm syndrome is probably real but no excuse for the excesses or violence or financial control and loss of freedom. What some folk fail to realise is, that infatuation and the consequent falling in lust, is not love. And usually results after a decade or so after the kids are born and the relationship matures. Two very different and totally incompatible people will wake after a decade or so, beside a perfect stranger they don't even like! With the male reacting as though everything he has worked for is at risk and it is, including family and kids. And isn't smart enough to understand that there's no permanent way to retrieve the situation and simply makes a bad situation impossible by resorting to emotional blackmail and or physical violence. These blokes and one or two female clinging vines need a reality check. And need to make the best of a bad bargain, settle what needs to be settled amicably! If only to rescue a relationship with their kids. In the entire universe, there is just one constant and that's constant change. That being so, we need to adapt to and accept change or be steamrolled by it. Alan B.

The fact that this topic moved from a discussion on "The grip of feminist ideology on our key institutions" to one on domestic violence shows perfectly the control of the narrative that feminists have gained in our world.

They manage to convert it to an attack on men, as they do with everything. The domestic violence angle is simply a way of avoiding any highlighting of womens failure, & a tool to trot out when ever these failures come into view.

So many AVOs are simply a tactic in court cases where women are after more control, recommended & filed by lawyers, after a larger settlement, or child custody for their clients.

Rants by those like Opinionated2 show how far from reality the libbers have moved the argument, & how they have contaminated some males against their own gender.

Hasbeen, I'm impressed.

Toni ignores a phenomina called "missing white woman syndrome". Some murder victims are more newsworthy than others. Cases where the victims are female, attractive, middle-class and white, in that order of importance, go straight to the front page. The sad case a small-time drug dealer from Inala, Blacktown or Frankston being murdered isn't newsworthy.

Middle class women are the demographic that advertisers want and those consumers only care about tragedies occurring in families they can relate to.

In addition, cases with female killers aren't reported, because consumers don't feel comfortable seeing women demonised. The culprit here is paternalistic views of women, rather that feminism. However, feminists can be just as paternalistic as anyone else, despite everything they claim.

For all you poor defenseless little males who have been battered, bashed and down trodden by vicious females please go to the Police if an assault was involved.

Be brave little soldiers and man up!

This thread proves my point...Men simply don't cope emotionally being rejected even if the reasons for being rejected are the man's fault.

I mean now I am accused of this being emotional to me....lmao Desperate much?...lol So Benk is it emotional to you and you are transferring your sadness and pretending I am the one affected?...lmao

Benk, I Don't Know of any men who have suffered from domestic violence, you just lost your bet...lmao

Arndt said 35% was bi-directional from memory now Benk through his great wealth of knowledge has changed that to üsually is"...lmao Are you a male victim Benk? Go to the police!

Of course some women play the system but men do too.

Now we have a hacking murder of a man that isn't reported...lmao What next? See men always prove my point...lmao They make stuff up!

Hasbeen now says the whole system is loaded against men...You sure live up to your name...lmao Are you a victim of a wife he beat you half to death?...lmao

I am ashamed of most men when they get on this topic...Poor liitle insignificant pants wearers...lmao

Feminism is simply a reaction to the long term oppression of women by men. Sorry guys if women won't stand for your crap any longer. Grab a tissue and man up!

When was the last accusation of sexual harassment brought against females in organisations? Now compare that to the many, many men who have been accused.

The average man has failed women all their life and they hate being called to account.

If a woman has assaulted you go to the police. Be brave! I would be brave if I had been assaulted!

Sorry if your relationship broke down and your were innocent of all things. Move on...if a woman or man does that to you they aren't worth the pain. SIMPLE!

Great post Alan B...Absolutely correct!

Get ready to be attacked like Toni and I have been...lol

Even though Benk doesn't like it I have never met a man who says his wife assaults him.

If I did my advice would be the same...Go to the police!

The real thing these weak men are terrified of is women getting a few rights and things like the "Me Too" movement.

Their beer swilling boy's clubs are coming to an end!...lmao

All women want is a fair go and respect... That seems a bit much to ask from some of our brutish but easily crushed brothers...lmao

I wonder how many of these men have ever vacuumed the floors regularly, dusted regularly, washed the floors regularly, did the laundry regularly, cooked the wife dinner, changed the bed's regularly etc. or do they think that is women's work?

One imbecile male who I know used the excuse that "men are the hunters" - Guess what his marriage failed....lmao

Another told me he had the perfect wife... she just wants to stay home with the kids in the house and he gets to play golf on Saturdays and Sundays and go to the driving range 3 nights per week.

I told him Ï have never met a woman who would put up with that"..His reply was "See I have a brilliant marriage"... She left him a few months later...

Many, many men are simply selfish and then they blame the women for getting sick of their selfishness.

It's pathetic! Marriage is tough enough when both people work as a team and support each other

I would like to thank Opinionated2 for demonstrating that the men here are right. She has certainly demonstrated that women can get get just as angry as men. I wonder what happens behind closed doors at her house, if you know what I mean. She also gave us several demonstrations of how many women might talk about wanting gentle modern men, but seem to view us with distain.

I have no trouble believing that male victims of DV don't tell OP2 about their problems. They know they will get blamed. Any woman who tells men to go to the police and complain about DV is very entitled, for the same reason. Police are a product of the same society that tells people that any DV must be the man's fault. Furthermore, few of them care about the rights and wrongs of the argument that has brought them to someone else's house.

OP2, please go back to the 1950s, where it was OK to tell a man to be a real man. Being a real man seems like too much trouble for the rest of us here in 2018.

//In addition, cases with female killers aren't reported//

What, so Aileen Wuornos, Lizzie Borden, Myra Hindley and Katherine Knight were all just fellas in drag?

I suspect you may be half right, and that murders by females are less likely to be reported. That's because they tend to be less dramatic than murders by men - women tend to favour poison, whereas men go for more violent methods.

However, when women commit violent murders, they are verily heavily reported, no doubt because it so unusual for this to occur. Does anybody remember the name of some male axe murderer from a hundred years ago? Nope. But we all know who Lizzie Borden is.... and she was acquitted.

The chances of a violent dismemberment and decapitation not making the news when the perpetrator is male are infintesimal. If the perpetrator was female, that would only increase the likelihood of it being reported.

For a case like that to go completely unreported, as claimed by Wolly B? I call bullshite.

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Thank you Ttbn: you said all that needed to be said in the first post!

For a case like that to go completely unreported, as claimed by Wolly B? I call bullshite.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 20 May 2018 8:58:50 PM

Like you I expected it to be in the papers, but it wasn't. I was told about by the Police officer who attended the scene.

' Like you I expected it to be in the papers' What not on the abc Wolly? The same fools claim their is no such thing as gender. Talk about confused.

//' Like you I expected it to be in the papers' What not on the abc Wolly?//

Runner, he's making it up... oh, never mind.

The point was made earlier that police stats are not a reliable indicator of occurrence. The prevailing attitudes to female perpetrators, male victims play a big role in the under reporting. Have a look at the nasty comments directed at male victims earlier in the comments section for examples.

Broad studies which have asked the same questions of men and women about their experience of physical violence both as perpetrators and victims tells quite a different story to the one some would have us believe.

One of the better summaries of research into DV can be found at
http://www.domesticviolenceresearch.org/domestic-violence-facts-and-statistics-at-a-glance/

- Overall, 24% of individuals assaulted by a partner at least once in their lifetime (23% for females and 19.3% for males)
- Higher overall rates among dating students
- Higher victimization for male than female high school students
- Lifetime rates higher among women than men
- Past year rates somewhat higher among men
- Higher rates of intimate partner violence (IPV) among younger, dating populations “highlights the need for school-based IPV prevention and intervention efforts”
Perpetration
- Overall, 25.3% of individuals have perpetrated IPV
- Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%)
- Wide range in perpetration rates: 1.0% to 61.6% for males; 2.4% to 68.9% for women,
- Range of findings due to variety of samples and operational definitions of PV

More to follow

Emotional Abuse and Control
- 80% of individuals have perpetrated emotional abuse
- Emotional abuse categorized as either expressive (in response to a provocation) or coercive (intended to monitor, control and/or threaten)
- Across studies, 40% of women and 32% of men reported expressive abuse; 41% of women and 43% of men reported coercive abuse
- According to national samples, 0.2% of men and 4.5% of women have been forced to have sexual intercourse by a partner
- 4.1% to 8% of women and 0.5% to 2% of men report at least one incident of stalking during their lifetime
- Intimate stalkers comprise somewhere between one-third and one half of all stalkers.
- Within studies of stalking and obsessive behaviors, gender differences are much less when all types of obsessive pursuit behaviors are considered, but more skewed toward female victims when the focus is on physical stalking

Facts and Statistics on Context
Bi-directional vs. Uni-directional
- Among large population samples, 57.9% of IPV reported was bi-directional, 42% unidirectional; 13.8% of the unidirectional violence was male to female (MFPV), 28.3% was female to male (FMPV)
- Among school and college samples, percentage of bidirectional violence was 51.9%; 16.2% was MFPV and 31.9% was FMPV
- Among respondents reporting IPV in legal or female-oriented clinical/treatment seeking samples not associated with the military, 72.3% was bi-directional; 13.3% was MFPV, 14.4% was FMPV
- Within military and male treatment samples, only 39% of IPV was bi-directional; 43.4% was MFPV and 17.3% FMPV
- Unweighted rates: bidirectional rates ranged from 49.2% (legal/female treatment) to 69.7% (legal/male treatment)
- Extent of bi-directionality in IPV comparable between heterosexual and LGBT populations
- 50.9% of IPV among Whites bilateral; 49% among Latinos; 61.8% among African-Americans

There is quite a lot more and further detail of the research available at the site.

Erin Pizzey once wrote that what she was seeing emerging from universities, were social activists, not social workers.

Jordan B Peterson is also critical of how universities is producing activists and the strangle hold that post modernists have on the social sciences and the law.

Our gov't departments are being filled with activists.

Employment must be being determined by leanings, which are in turn instilled in the educational institutions qualifying applicants.

Where I live development authorities focus on a return to bush and native concerns, as if (white) man has no place on the landscape, or perhaps even on this continent. The green and black tape is stultifying, with the rights of the private individual considered last.

Our pioneers would turn in their graves to see where we are heading.