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The #MeToo phenomenon and what, if anything, anyone can do about it : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 13/3/2018

Ordinarily, a person accused of some crime is presumed innocent until found otherwise by a duly constituted court. That has not been the case in any of the examples I have read.

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It's a bit of a yawn really. Lots of yap and and unsubstantiated claims, often anonymous, and no prosecutions. The media really needs to get scandalised by something else - or return to its only area of relevance - news and weather.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 9:43:37 AM
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"Ordinarily, a person accused of some crime is presumed innocent until found otherwise by a duly constituted court. That has not been the case in any of the examples I have read. Indeed, as I wrote above, nothing has yet come to court, to the best of my knowledge."
You've missed the point of the #MeToo movement. It's not about bringing criminals to justice; it's about changing the culture so the perpetrators no longer think it's OK.

And AIUI the 'trial by media', in the Australian cases at least, is the result of overzealous media, sensationalising accusations where the complainants sought neither publicity nor legal retribution.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:21:04 AM
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This 'Movement' is not so much about the accusations it's all to do with growing 'Identity Politics' which continues to accelerate within western cultures.

Minority identifying groups have driven a ground swell of issues, which in the main would normally have remained on the fringes. Unfortunately now politics has risen to their challenges and bought into their ideals. This at the expense of more prudent policy politics.

SSM, LGBTI++, #Metoo, black lives matter etc, etc. These and other identity politics are going to further erode western culture, sad but a true reflection of where we are going. Silly and irrational if you ask me.
Posted by Galen, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:06:12 PM
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None of this stuff would ever get wings if sensible people (still the majority I believe) simple ignored it.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:12:38 PM
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feel sad for the many women raped and abused. Also feel sickened by women who play the game to get to the top and then blame others for their lose morals. Hollywood has no right to preach anything. They have the same morals as the paedophile priests. The culture that needs changing is the blame everyone but myself culture.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 2:17:36 PM
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The ABC has just put out the news an 'investigation' has upheld sexual harassment complaints against ex Melbourne mayor, Robert Doyle.

"The investigation was NOT a judicial process and set a standard LOWER than the criminal standard of being proven guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT", which pretty much backs the opinions that the process is shonky.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 4:51:48 PM
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The power behind the me too movement, is that it sidesteps the legal process. And since the legal process is known to fail those who say they are raped. Expecially if the accused is rich and famous. Then this side stepping the law is the workable alternative.

Sad to say it but most of the fierce laws regarding rape only are used if the rape is caught in the act or if the perpetrator admits that it occured. With that in mind can anyone blame the me too movement for how it currently plays itself out?

The sad part is that the movement will harm the power of the legal system, and throws out the checks in the justice systems to protect the accused until proven guilty.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 4:45:28 AM
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I don't think there have been complaints about 'rape'. It's been all about sexual harrassment, which can be anything from a look or a word to a feel. Rape complaints wouldn't be dealt with this way. Apart from ruining men's reputations, there's not a lot that can be legally achieved in sexual harrassment, which might have occurred or might not have. The truth will never be known. Trial by media is the only way.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 8:00:33 AM
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I think a lot of these complaints are because of what he didn't do, rather than what he did do.

When he doesn't call after the one night stand, it becomes harassment or rape, regardless on the actual events on the night.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 1:37:26 PM
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Move to some high immigrate areas of England or outback Indigeneous communities and you can raise your odds greatly at joining the meetoo movement. Did not see International womens day having much to say about these women. Modern feminism is quite nauseating.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:41:57 PM
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Notnowsoon: very good point!

True victims of this crime never get over it mostly because the perps got away with it and the world, to them, just doesn't care.

It's a truly horrific crime at its worst so obviously all men are glad to let women discuss it seriously!

Where the conversation gets dodgy is when innocent men get blamed who've actually been there for victims!
Posted by Cupric Embarrasment, Sunday, 25 March 2018 7:46:33 PM
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