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A future without Adani : Comments

By Everald Compton, published 23/2/2018

The water needed to open up the black soil country for agriculture can easily be diverted from the tropical rivers of the north at an affordable cost.

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Come on Everald, time to join the real world.

Greenies hate dams & irrigation even more than they hate coal mines.

My grandkids would be dead before you got through the bull dust & could start building those dams

As with Foyle, I read Ian Idriess book on this in the early 50s. I am afraid that no amount of windmills could generate the power to pump so much water up the hill. You would need one of Alan's Thorium thingies, proper nuclear, or another big new coal fired power station to do the job.

If you really want to do something so useful like this, you will have to eliminate a large number of greenies first. Even if as likely, the water proved then too expensive for economic agricultural use, if the lead up had eliminated enough ratbag greenies, it would still be a worthwhile project.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 23 February 2018 12:27:14 PM
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JBowyer,

" but what is stopping this?"

No thorium reactor has ever been built except for an experimental one in the US in the 1960's which produced not a skerrick of usable energy and which, after being closed down after 5 years, took a further 40 yrs to clean up.

The Chinese think that it might be possible to build a usable thorium reactor and have been working on it for about 10 years. Despite early optimism, they have recently advised that they won't have a workable test plant until 2024, IF (repeat..if) they are able to resolve a series of technical problems that currently bedevil the project. Given that timing the earliest the Chinese (and they are ahead of everyone else on this issue) will have a working commercial plant will be mid 2030's - and that's if the current problems are resolved and unexpected problems don't arise.

But for the Alan's of the world, all this is mere detail.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 23 February 2018 1:36:53 PM
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If anyone believes the chinese aren't progressing toward a workable 350 MW model, they're Kidding themselves. Simply put, the Brazilians are looking at modeling a molten salt thorium reactor, on FUJI's successful, 350 MW molten salt model.

The Oak Ridge reactor never ever generated a single watt of power! What does that prove? Neither has the conventional reactor at Lucas heights.

The successfully trialled without accident or incident, Oak Ridge reactor, was mothballed for decades, left to rot.

Little wonder these so called experts encountered alleged difficulties. Decommissioning didn't take forty years, rubbish, given that's about the time it was mothballed.

And now legislated forbidden technology in the same place, where the patent holder of the first working uranium reactor also invented this, which his notes, evocation/advocacy, suggested most strongly, he Alvin Weinberg, Father of nuclear technology.

Considered his molten salt, non pressurised reactor, superior in every degree!

We need to listen to experts like Kirk Soresen, Former NASA scientist, and nuclear technologist who had complete access to all the notes and material left by the scientists, who operated the Oak ridge reactor between the fifties and seventies. And toured the facility!

I've listened to a couple of these same Gentlemen who scoff at some of the patent rubbish being generated by those with the most to lose, if we restart our R+D into thorium!

The main problem for the fuel fabricators, is the fact that all the alleged problems they've encountered with thorium only became an issue, because it doesn't lend itself to their fuel fabrication business model!

And that being the case they cannot authoritatively debunk thorium!

And therefore need to keep inventing reasons for keeping this technology suppressed or forbidden!?

Someone needs to invite Kirk Soresen, the world's leading nuclear savay expert on thorium energy, to speak at the national press club.

If only to ensure we have all the relevant facts and debunk some of the vexatious mischief now substituting for bona fide information pertaining to thorium! And put there by those folk with the most to lose if ever thorium gets a guernsey.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 23 February 2018 3:10:10 PM
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Well said Everald. We suffer so badly from those putting us at so much risk, just so they can go home feeling all warm and fuzzy.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 23 February 2018 5:20:47 PM
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I wonder if Everard has ever lived in the part of Queensland which he is championing. Has he ever taken out a map and had a good look at the vast area involved. I would hate to be dragged by the hair of my head from Richmond or Hughenden up to the Cape. We used to have taxation incentives to compensate people who lived annd worked there. It isn't the benign environment in which most people want to live. As a consequence, housing and services costs are also much higher.

Get real man.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Friday, 23 February 2018 6:58:23 PM
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Con"troll" to VK3AUU

Your flying a bit low there Dave....over...
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:00:12 AM
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