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Confronting energy realities : Comments

By Tristan Prasser, published 9/2/2018

In tackling Australia’s energy crisis, politicians and policy makers need to find the courage and conviction to confront key energy realities and develop real policy.

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Aidan, this is not your day. On the question of CO2 levels and your accusation that man is 'impacting climate'. Recently a team of scientists used a satellite to measure CO2 levels in cities. (to update their data) What they found came as a shock. Not only did they find that the CO2 levels had increased 30% on previous readings but with this new and more sensitive equipment it corrected a previous wrong held view about CO2. They found that the jungles and vegetated areas were the clear and main emitters of CO2. The cities were found to be so little by comparison, they deemed them as negligible and therefore not noteworthy.It's amazing as time goes on and technology increases we are finding many past views to be incorrect. Another point, this one is about the result of climate change and the impact on all living things on earth. I have heard some crazy predictions about sea level rises. I have heard such numbers as 10 to 20 metres and more. Let me put some sense back into this topic. If you take all the clouds, the ice, the snow and everything that produces water, you will not get more than an inch or two of ocean rise. And I'm being generous just to make my point. As time and technology advances, you will all come to realise that this climate change BS is another money making stunt by mental retards like the greens and anyone else who has found a way of making money off it.
Posted by ALTRAV, Sunday, 11 February 2018 2:21:59 AM
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Adian: I don't intend to address your points, because you haven't made any of substance.

You are In my view an ill mannered oaf abusing all and sundry. Bismuth 2/13 is not dirty and is a miracle cure, An alpha particle isotope that's attached to an antibody that then goes directly to the cancer cells killing only them.

And has a proud record of curing death sentence cancers, like inoperable brain cancer, hodgkin's and myeloid leukemia.

Yes you can make it in particle accelerators but only if you want to ensure it's millionaire medicine.

X Rays are also radioactive and you can pick up more rads on an international flight than that emanating from any current nuclear facility.

Alpha and beta radiation are part of the beneficial spectrum of the nuclear family, it is only gamma radiation that is usually lethal, or dirty nuclear!

By the way expert in everything, when did you pass your medical degree? No degree!

Oh I see, all you have is this or that dubious link of unknown origin?

You and autocratic abusive ignoramus like you claim to be concerned about climate change overpopulation, but as usual for EXTREMELY AUTOCRATIC green ideologies, reject the very remedies that would effectively tackle both, due to mountainous false belief and galactic False assumptions.

You may be a nice man when you grow up. Go away and do some of that and read a couple of books as you do.

#1/ Thorium cheaper than coal. (Robert Hargreaves) and #2/ Super fuel, subtitled green energy. (Richard Martian)

Yes I know you'll struggle, but persist, you'll get there one day? Hope springs eternal!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 11 February 2018 9:36:25 AM
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An ad appearing on commercial TV, and approved in Canberra! Is extolling the virtues of clean coal by an advocate holidaying in Japan? Which is supposed to have some and allegedly affordable?

It fails to address the fact that Japan gets much of its energy from its many nuclear reactors and that much of its cleaner fossil fueled power stations are gas fired and with our gas.

Yes clean coal, with zero emission is possible, but don't even contemplate building one unless you've a lazy 7+ billion. Then be prepared for a maximum energy coefficient of just 6% and losses for the life of the complex.

Prepare for the fact that no sane rationalist is ever going to be able to make a business case for clean coal in a competitive commercial environment. That is technically gnostic.

And prepare for an economic ruin if you're the country adopting this madness, ostensibly only to protect the dubious commercial interests of foreign, price gouging, tax avoiding, profit repatriating, debt laden, economic vandals!

Also prepare for the complete lack of appetite among the banking fraternity for investment in coal!

For that sort of money, I believe, we could in all likelihood, mass produce 10 or so, factory assembled 350 MW molten salt thorium reactors, plus clean safe carbon free electricity with a median price of less than 2 cents PKH! And as we perfect the build, those costs go down and down per completed unit!

And if we're sanely lead, with other folk and nations effectively picking up the entire tab!

Naturally our Leaders, intellectual giants, one and all, would prefer the clean coal option! No question, they've even proposed investing taxpayer funds for that purpose! And you guessed it for one single, coal fired power station.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 11 February 2018 10:15:20 AM
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Allan, I am on board with your salt thorium push. I too can see no technical problems with the concept. However I feel you may have overlooked the one factor that controls the approval of all our major infrastructure projects. That is, whether the pollies can find a back door personal financial gain from it and if so, how big a financial gain. That's why all these grants and BS around renewables. Who knows how much the greens leader is milking from these grants and the like? No I fear that unless your salt thorium concept is very expensive thereby giving these scumbags the opportunity to re-direct some of the funds their way, it will never get a look in. Are there any salt thorium plants currently in use or being tested? I would like to know more, and if enough people start talking about the concept it might just get a leg up from the people for a change. Remember, the pollies are there for their own benefit not for ours.
Posted by ALTRAV, Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:41:30 AM
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To begin with we are faced with the reality that people without money will never be able to tell those with money how to spend it.
Secondly, those with money want an immediate return on their investment (money) so they want to see proven performance on any enterprise they are being asked to invest in.
At this point we have those without money, trying to dictate to those with money, so what I suggest is that those without money save their pennies and invest in the various schemes of their choice instead of trying to claim privilege and entitlement over public monies.
At present anyone with money is investing on proven performance....coal, nuclear, etc and anyone saying otherwise is merely expressing delusional desires.
All I've read so far is how one is better than the other but I don't see anyone putting their hand in their pocket.... and that's because yapping is free, whereas doing costs money.
Everyone has an opinion on how money is to be spent ....as long as it's not theirs.
Politicians, being short term thinkers, go with the votes....and the money....so anyone expecting foresight from this august body of leaders had better think again.
Even Turnbull's plan for the future is such that he plans to be elsewhere when the discovery is made to the contrary, and one only has to look at the handling of the NBN as being a precursor to his planning and implementational abilities.
Shorten has always been a little short on, and he's waiting for the other side to stumble 'cos he's got no idea other than banking on peoples short memories on Labour fiascos and the masses desire for change for no reason other than.
So where does this leave you and me?.......waiting to see what society does when the free money runs out.....'cos it not gunna be pretty.
My advice ...... start saving candles
Posted by Special Delivery, Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:59:43 AM
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I started to write a comment, only to have a google app. remove it entirely! As an act of ultimate censorship?

ALTRAV, there are numerous countries currently researching molten salt thorium. And include China India, Russia, Japan, Brazil, Czechoslovakia, South Africa and our nearest neighbor, Indonesia, plus many others?

I think I agree with your analysis for our current energy crisis and its cause. Moreover, I think the only real change that is possible, is when all these self serving "intellectual giants" are all removed from office!

Until or unless that happens, all we can expect is move of the same and a boom and bust economy! And heading for the bust side of the equation as soon as interest rates start to lift, not too far ahead in time!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 11 February 2018 4:48:55 PM
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