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He’s not the Green messiah, he’s a very naughty boy : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 20/10/2017

The Coalition has begun to restore a modicum of rationality to the electricity market in Australia. There is more to do. They must assault the green mindset.

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Anyone who defends crooks so passionately and robustly, Simply has to be in bed with them?

Now I'm no fan of green myopia, fundamentalism or hidden agenda! But not everything they say is completely wrong! Without question climate change is real!

Particularly, if we were following normal cyclical climate cycles, we'd already be in the next ice age!

Something the myopically focused very conveniently avoid!

Simply put, one cannot have record breaking heat waves and highest recorded, mean average winter temperatures, when our sun is deep in a solid unmistakable waning phase!

It just doesn't happen. Like, you cannot brighten the room by turning down the dimmer switch!

Hope I'm not being too technical Gary? I know it has to be a struggle, science is just not for everyone!

Nor is it it would seem, is credibility?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 20 October 2017 10:58:03 AM
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How much damage have the Greens, eco-evangelists and the environmentalists religion done to the world’s economies over the past half century? Here’s a few points:

• Caused 9.5 million avoidable fatalities due to blocking nuclear power

• Caused cost of nuclear power to be about 10 times higher than it could have been by now

• Caused about 174 Gt CO2 more CO2 to be emitted from electricity generation

• Caused electricity prices to have increased substantially over the past decade, especially in developed countries, slowing economic growth globally, causing energy poverty, keeping the poor poorer than they could have been.

• Caused Australia’s electricity prices to increase ~50% over the past decade.

According to the ACCC “between 2007 and 2017, electricity prices had a compound annual growth rate of 8 per cent which was more than twice that for wages (3.1 per cent) and CPI (2.4 per cent).” https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/ACCC%20Retail%20Electricity%20Pricing%20Inquiry%20-%20Preliminary%20Report%20-%2022%20September%202017.pdf

All this for no benefit. It will not affect the climate, and even if it did, it would do more harm than good for reasons explained here https://judithcurry.com/2017/10/07/week-in-review-science-edition-72/#comment-859603 which ends: “climate policies to mitigate CO2 emissions would be detrimental, not beneficial”

And now Australia’s current Prime Minister is trying to hit us with a new ‘carbon’ price scheme by stealth - but for electricity generation only! He’s denying his new policy is in fact introducing a price on ‘carbon’ emissions. But he’s always believed in ‘dangerous climate change’, renewable energy and ‘carbon’ pricing. In fact, he started introducing the policies that are the main cause of the current problems (very high cost, unreliable electricity supply) when he was Environment Minister in 2006 and 2007; policies such as massive renewable energy subsidies (e.g. $8,000/kW subsidy for solar panels) and carbon pricing (ETS).

All this for no benefit. The policies will not affect the climate, and even if they did, they would do more harm than good for reasons explained here https://judithcurry.com/2017/10/07/week-in-review-science-edition-72/#comment-859603 which ends: “climate policies to mitigate CO2 emissions would be detrimental, not beneficial”
Posted by Peter Lang, Friday, 20 October 2017 11:03:47 AM
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Only 8% of Australians prioritise the human-driven climate change hoax, but “most Australians” apparently oppose the Adani coal mine. It just doesn't add up. I do hope di Natale does stand in front of a bulldozer, but that is probably just another politician's 'promise'. He should be aware that bulldozers don't always stop just because some fool stands in front of them. Remember the naïve little girl in Israel a few years ago.

“Di Natale believes that "losing" the Great Barrier Reef would cost 70,000 jobs”. Perhaps. But we are not losing the reef, and people who do employ people in the tourist industry on the reef say that there is nothing wrong with the reef. It's all pure ideology and deceit from the nutters.

Politicians will not “stand toe-to-toe with the greens “ because they are a bunch of gutless wonders. All sitting politicians should be voted out at the next election; they have shown that they are too weak – or corrupt – to stand up to the ideologues, and they are just not going to change.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 20 October 2017 1:40:42 PM
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If you believe climate change is real and I do!

And if you believe, in the face of credible evidence of a waning phase of the sun, we should now be deep into at least a mini ice age! And I do!

And if you believe that something else other than normal cyclical weather patterns, are responsible for record breaking heat waves, winter mean temperature averages and recorded acceleration in average wind speeds? And I do.

And if you believe that CO2, now at record levels and in unprecedented uncharted territory, may have something to do with all of that? And I do.

Then we are left with no other common sense choice than nuclear power! For several compelling reasons!

The first being, Thorium promises to be cheaper than coal!

And as walk away safe, molten salt thorium, safer than coal with many more environmentally/economy friendly applications.

Can be used to burn up existing nuclear waste stockpiles very safely! While earning annual billions!

All while providing the world's cheapest and safest, carbon free power! And miracle cure nuclear medicine, then it's a no brainier which system you'd chose?

Particularly the only option that could be factory built as mass produced modules? And definitely worth consideration and investigation before we commit many more billions to coal fired power.

Moreover, coal fired power rolled out as publicly funded owned and operated public amenity?

Would also bring howls of endless derision from the foreign energy suppliers, faced with too much heat in the kitchen for their business models!

And from either choice, given both would exclude them and their price gouging, tax avoiding, profit repatriating practises?

I rest my case.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 20 October 2017 4:40:53 PM
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Woulda, coulda, shoulda....and then sold off because of incompetent government mismanagement
Posted by ilmessaggio, Saturday, 21 October 2017 10:56:38 AM
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Gary Johns takes us all for idiots. Adani and the Gupta family, heroes of Australia, blatant thieves robbers and dealers of corruption, booted out of South Africa, to land as heroes in Australia.

What the Greens have done, is smother the real and worrying issue of Government supported corruption in Australia, which exceeds that of South Africa…what a F* joke this man is…give us a break mate!
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 21 October 2017 11:32:44 AM
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