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Nuclear power's deepening crisis : Comments

By Jim Green, published 16/10/2017

There are clear signs of a nuclear slow-down in China, the only country with a large nuclear new-build program.

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Enthusiasm for walk away safe, molten salt, thorium reactors, was created when I learned they could operate independently for 120 days?

Another being their ability to create bismuth 213. An alpha particle isotope, miracle cure nuclear medicine! And molten salt nuclear technology allows it to be removed from a fully operational system and the fuel to be circulated around through a chemical reaction which allows the fuel or reprocessed waste to be completely burnt!

Waste added and burned at least until the remaining untapped energy is consumed, around 90% of it, until what can't be burnt has a half life of just 300 years!

Pete, hard to critique something you obviously know absolutely nothing about?

Being first to try something new is not our particular forte eh Pete? And what about the mountains of toxic waste, photovoltaic solar panels are creating in their manufacture?

That said, we're doing some of the molten salt thorium research in partnership with the Czechs. Who apparently have fairly recently taken delivery of quite a few tons of FLIBE?

Who are much much bigger and far better resourced than us!? LOL!

I read wikipedia and noted the countries now involved in the research. And a surprisingly long list!

I know they can't all be fools governed by manifestly moribund morons? Or a house divided against itself!

Maybe they get that climate change is real and therefore, the only choice as clean, cheap, safe, carbon free, baseload power, is nuclear energy and entirely unsubsidised renewables!

Arc furnaces, running 24/7, where the price for industrial power is just 1.98 cents PKH as the median? The promise of thorium!?

Hydro, just not portable enough and like renewables or backup options, needing transmission lines and all the problems inherent in reticulated conventional power and a model already over 100 years old!

Then we wonder why the last Australian made car rolled off and failed to connect the dots. Or loss of appetite is connected to costs, purchasing and running! And where that's real? Linked directly back to the cost of energy, impacting manufacture viability!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 16 October 2017 8:49:51 PM
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Nick, you surely don't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously!?

Unless it goes like this?

The night was dark and stormy, the air was full of beer.
Someone took the bridge away and left me standing there!

That's the fifth time to night! Mummy!
Stop trying to flatten daddy's tummy.
It's a complete waste of time.
The Lady next door will be over a half hour after you've gone,
to blow it up again.

You'll Have a nice night now y'hear.
Cheers, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 16 October 2017 9:05:16 PM
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'Nick, you surely don't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously!?'
Of course not . That's why I pasted from the website given.
Promise of 1 cent a giga whizz? That's an election promise?
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 16 October 2017 9:12:58 PM
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Guys I wonder if the reason the salt based reactor won't happen is because no-one will invest in something that they can't gouge or find ways of making ludicrous amounts of money off. This is why these ideas will not take off. I do in fact demand that our bloody govt's start buying back our utilities. These are essential services and should not be in private hands so that we can be held at ransom at their whim. South Australia had nothing to do with downed power lines and everything to do with the power generation bastards holding the govt to ransom by trying to extort unreasonable charges out of them, or the power was not going on. And it didn't. The first thing that needs to be done is grab Di-Natale and his blind, deaf and dumb followers, by the throat and throw them off a very high place, then we can begin a contamination free discussion and with some luck, begin establishing some old fashioned technology base load power generators, and I don't care if they are coal fired in the short term.
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 16 October 2017 9:27:46 PM
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Salt based reactors will happen and surprisingly soon! And when that day dawns what's left of Australian manufacture will disappear to China or anywhere else but here?

Where self serving morons can't wait to sell what's not nailed down or what someone else sacrificed, so those who followed could have better life!

If Politicians don't get that cheap abundant energy created post war Australia and took a war torn basket case economy and turned into the third wealthiest in the world and a creditor one at that! Replete with an education system that turned out a smaller percentage of illiterate innumerates and still affordable housing! Then when will they!?

When we are buying our LFTRS from China along with our cars, ships, subs and anything manufactured?

And completely devoid of energy independence and the security that alone guarantees!

It's all very well for solar panel installers to feel threatened Pete. by walk away safe, molten salt thorium.

But if we had base load as cheap as 1.98 cents PKH, as the median. We'd import none but make where they were thought up and designed, the place of manufacture. Minus the mountains of toxic waste permitted by slack or non-policed regulations in China.

We need to stop fighting ourselves! The fight we need to have is out there!

Our future, if we are to have one? Is a nuclear powered one and a return to publically owned and operated power provision? Or one if privatized then operated as competing Australian co-ops! To bring back affordability, sanity and rationalized delivery service that we still own!

Shop around.

Why, when large swathes of rural and regional Australia has only a single provider!

Gone are the days when the local council provided the poles and wires at cost and made their money selling all manner of electrical goods!

And made to a standard, not a price and designed obsolescence!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 16 October 2017 11:30:23 PM
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Alan baby
Will you be investment manager for your local aerospace complex?
Your figure on new Chinese nuke plants is out but you insist on $1.98 to 2 decimal places when Th tech is not yet complete. You're not a Nigerian scam as you didn't take my credit card details when I offered to buy a kg of Thorium from you. But pushing the scheme for junk salt walk-away fast-fission chain - what's the game? KFC had to find the herbs and spices in 10 years but Thorium has had 50 years already.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 3:05:07 AM
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