Dear Toni,

«Both gay and not gay? How's that supposed to work then, Yuyutsu?»

Why, Alan Turing was not gay. If he came to know that you described him as gay, he would most likely feel offended.

«You don't have to go to pride rallies to be gay, Yuyutsu.»

True: while that is one way, there are also other ways to feel and express one's pride in one's sexuality and to make a big political deal about it.

No, it doesn’t, Leo Lane.

<<Does this mean that when your lies and nonsense don’t work, and they never do, you resort to ad hominem, as you falsely accuse others of doing?>>

You’ll notice that I discredited phanto’s nonsense before noting that he was being an idiot. Nothing had been resorted to.

I notice you didn’t say anything about his FALLACIOUS ad hominem, though. You know, the one where he RESORTED to personal attack without addressing my arguments.

Funny that.

<<Nice to see that the perverts’ attempt to deprive citizens of their say on the attack on the institution of marriage, was dismissed by the High Court, with costs against the perverts.>>

You are yet to demonstrate that they are perverts or that any attack is occurring.

Were you up for another round?

//I am well aware of Turing's tragic story and how shamefully and ungratefully he was persecuted. Yet this was because he was homosexual.//

//Why, Alan Turing was not gay.//

You do realise that contantly contradicting yourself undermines your position, right?

//there are also other ways to feel and express one's pride in one's sexuality and to make a big political deal about it.//

You don't have 'to make a big political deal about it' to be gay, yuyutsu. You don't even have to engage in sexual activity. You just have to be attracted to the same sex: that is all, end of story.

I'm not sure you've fully grasped the point of language, yuyutsu. It's exists for communication, not demonstrating how clever and non-conformist you are by plucking new definitions of words with well established usage out of your fundament, then arrogantly insisting that your definitions are the only ones that matter, common usage be damned.

Dear Toni,

«I'm not sure you've fully grasped the point of language, yuyutsu. It's exists for communication»

Suppose the North-Korean regime "communicates" to us that the name of their country is DPRK - "Democratic People's Republic of Korea", are we supposed to accept that lie?

The recent new use of 'gay' was similarly produced as political propaganda, overriding centuries of correct and meaningful English. If we start on this path, soon we arrive at Orwell's "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength".

«You don't even have to engage in sexual activity. You just have to be attracted to the same sex»

Actual attraction is not a requisite either - all you need is to identify with being homosexual, considering it [mistakenly as] an important part of who you are and how you want to present yourself to the world.

Yuyutsu,

That’s the Etymological fallacy.

<<The recent new use of 'gay' was similarly produced as political propaganda, overriding centuries of correct and meaningful English.>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

No, if you want to play that game, the word ‘gay’ was originally applied to gay people as a slur, suggesting that homosexuals were immoral.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gay

<<If we start on this path, soon we arrive at Orwell's "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength".>>

What, you mean like ‘wicked’, ‘bullsh!t’, ‘filth’, and ‘sick’ can now mean ‘awesome’? Are you concerned now that the word 'nice' means 'pleasant'?

*Crickets chirping*

The meaning of words evolve over time, and others come in to fill any gaps. Get used to it.

So, not only are you using language incorrectly, but you have the history of the word ‘gay’ wrong anyway.

//The recent new use of 'gay' was similarly produced as political propaganda, overriding centuries of correct and meaningful English. If we start on this path, soon we arrive at Orwell's "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength".//

Nope, usage defines meaning. We don't have a L'Academie Anglaise. And even if we did, you'd never be appointed an Immortal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qT8ZYewYEY