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Trump must honour Bush-Congress deal with Israel : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/5/2017

President Trump's historic visit to Israel on 22 May presents the perfect opportunity for him to deliver on the promises he made to Israel during last year's Presidential election campaign.

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Trump must do what he promised the American people he'd deliver for them at home!

As for Israel?

Perhaps you could ask his new best friends to hold him to account on the promises he made to them, be they Saudi Princes or Putin or Sara Nethanyahu? I'm sure they would give you a very warm welcome and lots of helpful advice?

I just don't know what Sara would give you? A cup of tea, maybe?

Can only hope it's not what she gives to the emasculated Israeli PM to keep him under her thumb and requiring her permission to act? Allegedly?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 22 May 2017 12:04:13 PM
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America's permanent deep state has been raising a hullabaloo about Russian involvement with America's political process while not noticing the elephant in the loungeroom - racist Israel.

Even the most wildly fanciful allegations of foreign Russian involvement don't come within a bull's roar of the constant involvement of foreign racist Israel in American politics, with US shill after shill daily confirming allegiance to racist Israel and accepting the Israeli vacuum hose attached to the American financial teat. The FBI might profitably target AIPAC.

Sure a two state solution to Israel would be more just than the current one-state commitment of the USA to the Israeli race supremacists provided each state had equal rights and powers - even though the only truly just solution would be the dismantlement of Israel like that of the Boer Union of South Africa, and democratic Palestianian government throughout Palestine.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 22 May 2017 3:49:00 PM
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#Alan B

Pretty disgusting bottom of the barrel comment showing you have nothing really constructive to offer.

#Emperor Julian

Ah - now here is someone you can always rely on for an inane comment such as the following:
"the only truly just solution would be the dismantlement of Israel like that of the Boer Union of South Africa, and democratic Palestianian government throughout Palestine."
By "democratic Palestinian Government" do you mean:
(i) that practised by Hamas or
(ii) that practised by the PLO
neither of which has held parliamentary elections in their respective fiefdoms since 2006 and whose President Mahmoud Abbas will meet President Trump today enjoying the spotlight whilst in the 12th year of his four year elected term.

Democracy or Shamocracy?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 2:42:49 PM
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In 1917 it was Zionists colluding with super-power Britain to manipulate the Palestinians into accepting Zionist demands. Now in 2017, the Zionists collude with super-power USA to manipulate the Palestinians into accepting Zionist demands.

Over 100 years of Zionist deceit.
Posted by Anti-Colonial, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 9:32:03 AM
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#Anti Colonial

100 years of whingeing and whining by the Arabs (supported by people like you) who got:
1. 78 % of the land covered by the Mandate in 1922 and rejected the offer
2. who were offered a greater share by the Peel Commission in 1937 and rejected the offer
3. who were offered an even greater share in 1947 by the UN and rejected that offer
4. who gained control of East Jerusalem and the West Bank between 1948 and 1967 and did nothing to establish a second state - in addition to Jordan - in the territory covered by the Mandate
5. who rejected offers of statehood in 2000/20001 and 2008

Led by the nose by abject and deplorable leaders over the last 100 years and now led by the PLO or Hamas (take your pick) whose Charters preach to these poor people inciting them to indiscriminately slaughter and murder Jews and promise their families pensions for life if they are caught and imprisoned or if they die in the act of committing murder and mayhem.

President Trump has coined an appropriate name - "LOSERS"- for these murderers.

Hopefully the Palestinian Arabs will one day be given a say in their future - allowing them to break the shackles of a 100 years occupation of their minds by braindead Jew-hating and incompetent leaders who have never known how to say "˙es" to the numerous offers that could have seen the Arab-Jewish conflict resolved a long time ago.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 25 May 2017 6:06:19 PM
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Deceit 1. Singer persists in conflating the Mandate for Trans-Jordan with the Mandate for Palestine, even though he knows they were administered separately. Transjordan began the self-governing process in 1923. The Arabs of Palestine were not offered 1% of Palestine let alone 78%.

Deceit 2. Singer persists in referring to the Peel Commission as though it's recommendations were official British Government policy. They were NEVER official British Government policy.

Deceit 3. Singer persists in omitting the 1939 White Paper. It trashed any idea of partitioning Palestine as unworkable. It trashed the Peel Commission's assertion that a Jewish homeland meant a Jewish state. It stated that the Jewish Homeland called for in the Mandate for Palestine had been met and that steps towards creating an independent Palestine should commence. The White Paper was enacted by the British parliament and included restrictions on Jewish migration and land sales from Arabs to Jews. It remained British policy till the end of the mandate in 1947, despite pressure from the USA and the Zionist terrorists.

Deceit 4. In 1947 official British policy was against partition, as extensive analysis had shown it to be unworkable. Why would Palestinians agree to partition, when after decades of administering Palestine, the British had come to the realisation it would not work? History shows they were both right. How could you increase a share when there had been no share in the first place?

Deceit 5. After 1948, the Palestinians had been scattered to the four points of the compass. They needed Jordan in the West bank and Egypt in Gaza to deter the Zionists from taking what remained of Palestine and give themselves time to decide their future.

Deceit 6. In 2001 Sharon broke off negotiations and in 2008 Netanyahu did the same. In both instances it was the USA and the Zionists trying to force peace on the Palestinians by having them concede even more territory. In both instances the Zionists never put any formal offers in writing and were deliberately vague about the precise locations of the land swaps they were proposing.
Posted by Anti-Colonial, Friday, 26 May 2017 2:23:10 AM
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The murder of Zionists by Palestinians pales into insignificance compared to the murder of Palestinians by Zionists. Sharon who was Defence Minister when the IDF allowed the Sabra and Shatila massacre of 1982, had his fat pension increase further when the Zionists elected him as their Prime Minister. Another one with a fat pension was Sharon's Prime Minister, Begin who was denounced as a terrorist and a fascist by Einstein after his role in massacres during 1948. Then there was Lydda that was ethnically cleansed of tens of thousands of Palestinians, including the massacre of over 150 taking refuge in a mosque. Dayan and Rabin were part of the command structure for that operation. In 2006 the Zionists unveiled a plaque celebrating Irgun's terrorist attack on the King David Hotel that killed over 90 people. So it's hardly surprising that they commit war crimes like the use of phosphorous bombs in civilian areas. One rule for the Zionists, another rule for everyone else reeks of the stench of cultural supremacism.
Posted by Anti-Colonial, Friday, 26 May 2017 2:32:16 AM
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This is from OLO's resident uber-racist:

Ah - now here is someone you can always rely on for an inane comment such as the following:
"the only truly just solution would be the dismantlement of Israel like that of the Boer Union of South Africa, and democratic Palestianian government throughout Palestine."
By "democratic Palestinian Government" do you mean:
(i) that practised by Hamas or
(ii) that practised by the PLO
neither of which has held parliamentary elections in their respective fiefdoms since 2006 and whose President Mahmoud Abbas will meet President Trump today enjoying the spotlight whilst in the 12th year of his four year elected term.

Bollocks.

Democratic means democratic
Like in the dozens of homelands in which ethnic origin plays no part in full eligibility to vote and nobody is "special" on the basis of ancestry.
Unlike in racist Israel or its predecessor and ally the Boer Union of South Africa.
Unlike in Bantustans like occupied Palestine in which access to polling is through armed checkpoints set up by an enemy state run by an ethnic minority masquerading as God's chosen.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 26 May 2017 12:34:17 PM
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It is a pity that Obama is no longer the president
Posted by Agnieszka, Friday, 26 May 2017 7:25:04 PM
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#Anti Colonial

Rave on as you will it is a question of historical fact that the Palestinian Arabs rejected offers and opportunities made to them to resolve the Jewish- Arab conflict in Palestine in 1922, 1937, 1947, between 1948 to 1967,2000/1 and 2008.

The Palestinian Arabs were perfectly entitled to reject those offers and pursue the path of armed struggle and a culture of indiscriminately murdering and wounding hundreds of thousands of Jewish civilians - but where has that got them for the last 95 years?

They will no doubt continue to reject any new offers that may be made to them because they want all or nothing.That is the tragedy. They simply don't know - and never have known - how to compromise.

#Emperor Julian
You must have a screw loose when you state:
"Unlike in Bantustans like occupied Palestine in which access to polling is through armed checkpoints set up by an enemy state run by an ethnic minority masquerading as God's chosen."

Are you really unaware that:
1. All citizens of Israel - Jews and Arabs - have a vote and exercise that vote every four years.
2. All Arab citizens of Gaza and Judea and Samaria (West Bank) have not had a vote since 2006 and are unlikely to get one in the foreseeable future.
3. 95% of the Arabs living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) live in Areas A and B under the total administrative control of the PLO. 100% of the Arabs living in Gaza are under the total administrative control of Hamas. Access to vote in either area is where they live and does not necessitate them having to go through any armed checkpoints.
4. President Abbas is now in the 11th year of his four year constitutionally limited term.

Try and get real for once.

#Agnieszka

Obama is no longer President because the US Constitution does not allow anyone to be President for more than eight years.

Abbas just ignores his Constitution and the poor Gazan and West Bank Arabs accept his continuing dictatorship without a whimper.

Go figure.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 27 May 2017 3:22:22 PM
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#DS

"Rave on as you will it is a question of historical fact....."

Typical Singer, when your deceit is exposed you just mouth off because you lack the intelligence to counter an argument.

And the deceit continues -

"The Palestinian Arabs ...........indiscriminately murdering and wounding hundreds of thousands of Jewish civilians......for the last 95 years?"

Hundreds of thousands is plural, therefore I cannot be accused of exaggerating if I claim that you are stating a minimum of 200,000 casualties. Including the military casualties, including those inflicted by non-Palestinian Arabs and after rounding up, the totals are 28,000 deaths & 55,000 wounded. That is a grand total of 83,000.

Keep posting Singer, because nobody exposes the deceit of Zionism as well as you do
Posted by Anti-Colonial, Sunday, 28 May 2017 1:31:18 AM
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".....3. 95% of the Arabs living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) live in Areas A and B under the total administrative control of the PLO. 100% of the Arabs living in Gaza are under the total administrative control of Hamas. Access to vote in either area is where they live and does not necessitate them having to go through..."

B'Tselem - "Acting the Landlord: Israel's Policy in Area C, the West Bank - Report Summary, June 2013"

..............In theory, Israel retains full control in the West Bank only of Area C. In practice, Israel’s control of Area C adversely affects all Palestinian West Bank residents. Scattered throughout the vast expanses of Area C are 166 “islands” of Area A- and B-land that are home to the major concentrations of population in the West Bank. The land reserves that surround the built-up sections of West Bank towns and villages are often designated as Area C, and Israel does not allow construction or development on these reserves. Israel thereby stifles many Area A and B communities, denying them the opportunity to develop. This is one of the contributing factors to the difficulty in obtaining lots for construction, the steep price hike in the cost of the few available plots, the dearth of open areas, and the total lack of suitable sites for infrastructure and industrial zones. If, for want of an alternative, residents of these areas build homes without permits on nearby land – owned by them but classified “Area C” – they live under the constant shadow of the threat of demolition...............

Fascist Zionism; they don't want peace,they want a grovelling neighbour.
Posted by Anti-Colonial, Sunday, 28 May 2017 1:36:32 AM
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#Anti Colonial

At it again.

At least you don't deny that the Arabs rejected many offers that could have seen an end to the 100 years old conflict between Arabs and Jews. That is some progress.

I doubt your total of 83000 Jews killed or wounded would include those suffering mental health problems and traumatisation as a result of these murders or attempted murders such as family members, friends or even witnesses to these murders or attempted murders.

Take the five members of the Vogel family murdered whilst they were asleep in their beds in 2011. Three children survive. Are you suggesting they, other family members and friends have not been mentally affected as a result of these heinous crimes?

What about the family members and friends of those 67 Jews murdered and another 58 wounded in the 1929 Hebron Massacre?

Or perhaps the family members and friends of the eleven people killed and over 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus in Jerusalem in 2004?.

Or the civilians and children who are given 15 seconds to get to the underground shelters in Sderot or Ashkelon to avoid being possibly killed or injured by thousands of mortars and rockets being fired from Gaza?

What about those who have been witnesses to brutal stabbings, car ramming incidents, targeted drive by shootings and the hospital medical staff that have to deal with these murderous attacks?

Wounding is not restricted to visible physical wounds only.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 28 May 2017 9:57:17 AM
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#Anti Colonial

The B'tselem Report quoted at length by you is irrelevant since it does not deal with the following claim I made in relation to voting by 95% of the Arabs living in Areas "A" and B" of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank):
"95% of the Arabs living in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) live in Areas A and B under the total administrative control of the PLO. 100% of the Arabs living in Gaza are under the total administrative control of Hamas. Access to vote in either area is where they live and does not necessitate them having to go through any armed checkpoints."

Not sure why you tried to buy in to a discussion I was having with #Emperor Julian anyway. It certainly doesn't help justify or support his inane comment:
"Unlike in Bantustans like occupied Palestine in which access to polling is through armed checkpoints set up by an enemy state run by an ethnic minority masquerading as God's chosen."

Perhaps you were motivated to jump to Emperor Julian's aid because I guess that you - like Emperor - are more than happy to demonize, apply double standards and delegitimise Israel at every opportunity

Your use of the term "fascist Zionism" gives you away and matches #Emperor Julian"s use of the choice term "Israeli race supremacists".

Natan Sharansky calls this "the 3D Test of Anti-Semitism: Demonization, Double Standards, Delegitimization"
http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-sharansky-f04.htm

I call it "Jew-hatred."

Two Jew haters acting in concert - what a pathetic and disgusting sight to behold.

No wonder you hide behind anonymous identities. Haven't got the guts to make your racist Jew-hating views known to your family, friends, neighbours and business associates.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 28 May 2017 10:23:35 AM
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Just for curiosity, a question to OLO's resident uber-racist who boldly claims Israel is democratic and not founded on racial supremacism, what proportion of those occupying key government posts - Cabinet Ministers, Generals etc -in racist Israel are goyim? How often has a goy been prime Minister? It bears on the claim that the state of Israel is not race-supremacist like the Boer Union of South Africa and thereby has a right to exist which has been rightly denied the Boer dictatorship.

As for the resident racist's sneers about lack of Palestinian elections, read the actual facts at https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/26/comment.mainsection

The key to democracy in Palestine lies in the USA. The current hysteria over tenuous stories of alleged Russian interference would be better replaced by a coast to coast FBI examination of the role of the Israel lobby in the US political process starting with AIPAC. Pity there are no royal commissions in America!

Meanwhile Mr Singer might get a comforting rush of blood to the head
by writing "Jew-hater" a further 100 times.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 28 May 2017 12:34:33 PM
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#Emperor Julian

You now seek to justify your following statement by referring to the 2006 elections:
"Unlike in Bantustans like occupied Palestine in which access to polling is through armed checkpoints set up by an enemy state run by an ethnic minority masquerading as God's chosen."

The facts of the 2006 elections were:

"Voter turnout for Palestinian Legislative Council elections in Palestine was an impressive 77% of 1.3 million registered voters, including 74% in the West Bank, 82% in the Gaza Strip, and 46% in Arab East Jerusalem despite harsh Israeli restrictions there. Forty-seven percent of registered voters were women. There was almost no violence or intimidation against voters. The results can therefore be said to represent the will of the Palestinian people—a stunning victory for the concept of democracy in the Middle East."
http://pamolson.org/HamasFAQs.htm

Pity that this election process has not been allowed to be repeated by Hamas and the PLO at any time during the last 11 years.

Even stranger that the Gazan and West Bank Arabs are prepared to accept their forced expulsion to the political wilderness by their own leaders. They are prepared to martyr themselves when it comes to murdering Jews but show no interest in martyring themselves when it comes to being liberated from political overlords who are preventing them having a direct say in their own future.

Jew-hatred certainly continues to blind you from accepting reality.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 29 May 2017 11:16:26 AM
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The interference of racist Israel with a mere council election in part of Palestine, detailed in the Guardian, made even that poll a farce. Yet the OLO's resident uber-racist pretends to wonder why the Palestinians haven't held a national election.

The claim that the racist state of Israel is democratic and not founded on racial supremacism is borne on by the questions I asked which I repeat as they remain unaddressed:

"What proportion of those occupying key government posts - Cabinet Ministers, Generals etc - in racist Israel are goyim? How often has a goy been prime Minister?".

Perhaps instead of writing "Jew hater" 100 times Mr Singer might go for variety by interspersing it with "Jew-hating".

He might even go on to set out the difference between Israel and the late unlamented Boer Union/Republic of South Africa, apart from the Boers' choice of privileged race.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 29 May 2017 12:30:50 PM
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#Emperor Julian

What you disparagingly call "a mere council election" was in fact the "second Palestinian parliamentary elections" as the article cited by you yourself makes clear.

You express not the slightest concern that the Palestinian Arabs have not had a vote for their third parliamentary elections for the last 11 years due to the refusal of their overlords - Hamas and the PLO - holding on to power in their respective fiefdoms.

I don't think you are concerned one little bit about the Palestinian Arabs who have been so badly served by their leaders over the last 100 years. You just use them as an excuse to express your implacable Jew-hatred.

Why do you hate Jews so much? What have they ever done to you? Care to share your suppressed reasons and get them off your chest once and for all? Will be cheaper than going to a psychiatrist and certainly make for compelling reading. Your identity is protected by your insistence on anonymity so there is nothing for you to worry about in that regard.

Indeed your rants show just how much you hate the Arabs as well.

Thanks for the suggestion - I will certainly intersperse my references to your Jew-hatred - not with references to your "Jew hating" - but rather with references to your Arab-hatred as well.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 29 May 2017 3:43:46 PM
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If it was the second parliamentary election then no wonder they haven't held a third one considering the obstructions racist Israel put in the way of the second one (which was none of Israel's business anyway). Doesn't the gross interference the Guardian described cause you any shame as a shill for Israel? Not that shame comes easily to racists.

Recite 100 "He's a Jew-hater"s and you'll feel better.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 29 May 2017 4:10:21 PM
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#Emperor

I would feel decidedly better if you were to accept the following assessment of the last parliamentary elections held in 2006 for Gazan,West Bank and East Jerusalem Arabs :

"Voter turnout for Palestinian Legislative Council elections in Palestine was an impressive 77% of 1.3 million registered voters, including 74% in the West Bank, 82% in the Gaza Strip, and 46% in Arab East Jerusalem despite harsh Israeli restrictions there. Forty-seven percent of registered voters were women. There was almost no violence or intimidation against voters. The results can therefore be said to represent the will of the Palestinian people—a stunning victory for the concept of democracy in the Middle East."
http://pamolson.org/HamasFAQs.htm

A repeat dose of the same medicine is urgently needed to see if the voters still want to be governed by Hamas and the PLO after 11 long years without parliamentary elections.

Hamas and the PLO can call such elections today. That they refuse to do so is a disgrace.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 3 June 2017 9:55:07 PM
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From the resident uber-racist:

"Hamas and the PLO can call such elections today"

But because of enemy control over the process they can't conduct them.

Carefully study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/26/comment.mainsection and please let's all know how many goyim were elected PM in racist Israel since the Nakba?
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 4 June 2017 1:01:30 PM
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#Emperor

The article referred to by you was written by Hind Khoury identified as "the Palestinian Authority's minister of state for Jerusalem Affairs"

My comments on that article:

1. Hind admits that the total population of East Jerusalem Arabs was "nearly a quarter of a million (including children)." Readers would have been better served had Khoury said how many were adults and eligible to vote. One could reasonably estimate that number to be 125000.

2. Khoury falsely asserted:
" The 94% of Palestinian Jerusalemites barred from voting in their city have to travel to the other side of Israel's wall to vote, passing barbed-wire fences and the nervous teenagers armed to the teeth at Israeli checkpoints. Israel knew few Palestinian Jerusalemites would choose to spend an entire day on this arduous journey, and was thereby trying

to deprive almost the entire Jerusalem electorate of its democratic right to vote".

In fact the voter turnout of Arabs living in East Jerusalem was 46% as I have pointed out to you on two occasions so far - which you still fail to acknowledge as being correct.

Khoury's claim that "few Palestinian Jeruslamites" would make the "arduous journey" to vote is simply false and misleading.

Based on the above figure of 125000 eligible voters in East Jerusalem - 57500 voted.

Is that what you call a "few Palestinian Jeruslamites"?

I don't.

#Emperor

You also claim elections for Arabs living in West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem cannot be called today "because of enemy control over the process they can't conduct them."

Total and utter rubbish.

The 2006 elections were administered by a professional and independent Palestinian Central Elections Commission (CEC). There is no reason to believe they could not do the job again if Hamas and the PLO could agree to give the people a say after 11 long years in the political wilderness.

There was a 77% voter turnout.

"Enemy control over the process"? Another unsubstantiated comment by you that is totally and utterly debunked by the facts.

You can read about the work of the CEC at:
http://www.elections.ps/tabid/713/language/en-US/Default.aspx
Posted by david singer, Monday, 5 June 2017 8:17:49 PM
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Mr Singer: Enemy control means control over travel of voters to voting booths. See Guardian item I cited.

Please respond to the last paragraph of my post of Sunday, 4 June 2017 1:01:30 PM as it relates to the phoney and oft-repeated claim that racist Israel is a democracy.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:51:46 AM
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