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Islam, Married at First Sight and the 5:2 Fast Diet : Comments

By Kuranda Seyit, published 16/5/2017

In the 19th century under the title of Orientalism, Islam was lampooned by various philosophers and writers of the time.

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Whilst it is debatable that many of these things are worth having it is also debatable that they came from Islam. They are the result of civilisation. When groups of people live together they pool their material and intellectual resources to make life more comfortable and more enjoyable. It is immaterial that they are Muslims.

Non-Muslim countries also came up with many ideas and practices to improve civilisation but we do not offer them as an apologetic for the Christian religion to which most of them adhered.

We are alike but only insofar as we are civilised and that should be the measure of equality. Islam’s exposure to the west over recent decades shows it to be very uncivilised and quite primitive in the way it deals with many problems. Its insistence on primitive solutions has caused a great deal of disruption to western democracies and this is why it has drawn such a negative reaction. The west has moved on from such a backward way of dealing with things and this has meant less reliance on religious ways.

The friction between Islam and the west is about dismantling civilisation and returning to dependence on religion
Posted by phanto, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 9:34:01 AM
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A director of FAIR and a member of the Sydney Peace Foundation, and with the name Kuranda Seyit, I suspect this writer is not including himself in “OUR very progressive down-under society” but is referring to YOUR – meaning we non-Muslim Australians, most of whom are definitely not progressive, society who were silly enough to allow Islam to interrupt the peace and good will of our society.

Australians are indifferent when it comes to Islam, are they chuckle chops? Rubbish!

And the politicians who speak for an increasingly concerned population, fed up with regular politicians and their submissive crap are just 'squeaky wheels'? Get real. Tune out of the ABC and Fairfax. Get out of Sydney for a while. Sydney is NOT Australia; there are other locations where things are different: even the Muslims are different.

Most Australians have had enough of Islam and Muslims – even those who, unlike me, accept you presence. You are in Australia now. Get over the medieval stuff. Get over your preciousness. Shape up, or ship out.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 10:06:48 AM
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Only this muslim can paint themselves as first the victim and then oh so superior to us Australians! I suggest he acquaints himself with our laws that prohibit so much of his horrible and backward religion.
You stay in inner city Sydney son because the rest of the country neither appreciates or admires your rubbish.
I personally despise all religions.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 10:11:46 AM
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Kuranda makes a fuss about fasting. Jesus said that some that fasted were total hypocrites. A number of muslims have poured petrol on their hatred and self righteousness during their fasting mouth. The most dangerous times to be around many followers of Mohammed is during Ramadan. Yes fasting can be very empowering if done for the right reasons and very destructive if it causes one to follow Mohammed's example.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 10:34:22 AM
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Hey maybe you're onto something with the 5:2 diet. I'm looking at the life expectancy by country table at Wikipedia, and WOW, look at all those Islamic countries doing so well.... ur, hmm, wait-- oh noes- I'm reading the table the wrong way round!
It seems that you don't know about this so I'll fill you in: Predominately western countries and a few non-Islamic Asian ones such as Japan, Singapore, etc. have the longest life expectancy. Almost all countries with a sizable muslim presence rank below the Western Countries (the only real exception is Israel which has a very high life expectancy) . So methinks your claim about healthy living being a consequence of Islamic practices is pure bunkum.

Also to fill you in on history- The Crusades were a response to the Islamic expansion into Europe. For a few centuries the Muslims kept hammering away at expanding/invading Europe and eventually the Europeans responded with the crusades.

In addition, many of the maths/science discoveries of the "Islamic Golden Age" were more often just the result of translating ancient texts (esp. Greek). In these case it wasn't so much about discovering new knowledge, but rather about preserving, collating from disparate sources, repackaging and disseminating existing knowledge and also the encouragement of sharing knowledge. Indeed, many of the scholars of the age weren't indigenous muslims but were foreigners of different cultures/religions drawn to the universities/centers of learning that were funded by Muslim regimes. Indeed take the example you give of Al-Khwarizmi- it is argued that he came from a Persian family that was most likely Zoroastrian and that he himself would have been Zoroastrian but then later converted to Islam.
(Oh, by-the-way: the word "algorithm" comes from Al-Khwarizmi, not logarithm)
Posted by thinkabit, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 10:38:34 AM
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Hi Thinkabit,

That would be al-Khwarizm - i.e. 'from Khwarizm' ? Which is up in present-day Uzbekistan, on the ancient Oxus. I think Alexander got up about that far and married a princess from there - in fact, from faulty memory, he had a few thousand of his soldiers married to local women. The area would have been part of ancient Persian empires as you suggest. Fascinating pre-Islamic history, but almost as brutal as what came afterwards.

The Persians would have been in close contact with Indian culture for much more than a thousand years before being conquered by Islam: Indian mathematicians have given us (and the Muslim world) our number system, the concepts of zero, exponentials, logarithms, and so much more.

But, like the Muslim custom of building their mosques on top of ancient temples in countries that they have conquered, Muslims also have 'built' their 'science' on top of pre-existing cultural and intellectual foundations, with little or nothing to add of their own. So it goes with depredatory imperialists throughout history.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 11:16:44 AM
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