Hello Loudmouth,
I meant to include Indian texts when I mentioned the old Greek texts. With respect-to-maths, as a general guide the Greeks gave us (quite well developed) Geometry and Logic and formal reasoning/proofs and the beginnings of Calculus (esp. Integration), while the Indians gave us the start of Algebra and also our number system along with important concepts such as representing nothing as a number (ie. Zero). Chinese also developed and discovered some of these things and some new things way before the Muslims.

However, before anyone here claims otherwise, I'm not saying the Muslims during the golden age did nothing. They did make contributions to science and maths themselves along with the fact that they established universities for scholars to go to to share info that did advance our knowledge. It's just that their contributions are way over blown. It is mainly exaggerated by today's Muslims (like this article's author) scratching around trying to find the something positive to defend their medieval beliefs. The really sad part is that they go back a whole millennium to find examples of scientific/maths advancement that Islam has achieved.

Here’s another one we’ll never hear from.

Graham get him to contribute towards the debate please.

Seyit: Since, Islam as a religion was formalized in 623 CE,

Yes, Mohammod was a bandit who invented a religion so he could have power over & control people. I believe they have now found Text, in the Cambridge Library, that predates Mohammod by a couple of hundred years.

Seyit: The West has been fixated with it. During the medieval ages, the French, Germans and English were suspicious of Islam and waged a Crusade that brought about a 200-year conflict in the Near East.

For a start Mohommedeans stole the Middle East from the Christians Holy Roman Empire. They then expanded by bloody Conflict across North Africa & into Southern Europe. Killing everyone who refused to convert. That is until the Kings of Europe got together to stop the barbaric invasion.

Seyit: Islam as the key contributor to the West's so-called Enlightenment which came about through the Renaissance.

As has been mentioned here previously, Modahammadean intellectuals took Ancient Text from Egypt & the Greeks & adapted them. The West had lost intellectual contact with the ME so had lost contact with these Books. Apart from that a couple of bad Popes put a stop to advanced learning fearing their loss of Power.

Seyit: There are literally hundreds of written works by Muslim scholars that have been translated into Latin or English.

These works were first translated from earlier works by Greek & Egyptian Scholars with some updates.

Seyit: People, and particularly Australians are crazy about Islam and the irony is that they don't even know it.

I don’t think so China. A few vocal Lefties maybe.

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Seyit: This is the Islamic arranged marriage and we've been doing it successfully for 14 centuries!

Arranged marriages have been happening for 80000 years. Evidence for that is the Australian Aboriginal.

Seyit: in other cases, the wedding day might be the first time the couple meet. The key component here are the parents, who use their superior knowledge of their children combined with the criteria for marriage to suitably match the bride and groom.

The Aboriginals had a way of sorting out & forbidding the marriages of close relations. Something which Mohammadeans seem to enjoy.

Seyit: The fact that Australians have embraced the show, indicates that there is a fascination with this type of marriage.

No it doesen’t. Australians have a wicked sense of humour. That’s why they watch those shows.

Seyit: Only in the past two years, there have been a plethora of fad diets which have all had their proponents swear by them; the paleo diet, the South Beach diet, the macrobiotic, the low carb, the Zone and the Atkins diet just to name a few.

Fad Diets have been aroun since Adam was a pup. Nothing to do with Mohammed.

Seyit: The National Australia Bank and other financial institutions have begun giving out interest free loans.

Only for Mohammadeans. Not for Aussies. Try it.

Seyit: Islam forbids interest (called riba). Muslims are not allowed to trade in interest and countries like Malaysia,

Er, excuse me. Not exactly true. (Personal experience) That’s only for Mohammadeans not Europeans, Indians or the Chinese in the Country.

Seyit: a Parliamentary Inquiry on the Halal food sector, alleging that the cost of halal certification which he called a "tax" was being funnelled into terrorist organisations.

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Seyit: the method of halal slaughter, has been proven to be the most humane and effective way to slaughter an animal. By effective, I mean that it drains the animal of the toxic blood while the heart is still pumping (the animal is stunned but hot killed) and the meat is the most nutritious.

Cutting the throat of the animal has been the standard practice of killing Animals for ever. It is a bit gory but virtually painless. The animal just goes to sleep. (loses consciousness.) Only people who have been brought up in Cities & have no Idea where their food comes from object. Some people don’t even know that eggs come out of a chooks “rectum.”

Seyit: sometimes in cultural practices or superstitions and sometimes in verses from holy books quoted out of context.

Oh no they are not.

Seyit: together, humanity can work towards reducing and eliminating dangers, hardship and other nasties, thereby enriching the standard of living all over the world.

Yes, the ME is a haven of towards reducing and eliminating dangers, hardship and other nasties, & the enrichment in the standard of living. I get that.

Seyit: next time you see a Muslim woman wearing a face veil, don't look in disgust, but appreciate her devotion to her cause and her love of her Creator.

Especially if the Husband is going to beat her with a toothpick if she doesn’t wear it, eh. But, mostly it’s worn as a show of defiance towards the West.

When I first saw this discussion, I took for granted that Muslims would be disgusted at the idea of any two people coming together for the first time and deciding to do the business, then and there. That silly program would demonstrate the irresolvable immorality of the entire West, and they could endlessly beat it up. But no, this bloke likes the idea.

He would probably discount the notion of consent on the part of the woman, and substitute permission from her father instead: that would be okay, that within hours of first seeing a bloke, her father has arranged for her to be rooted up and down, like it or not, at the whims of a stranger.

Call me a prude but I would respectfully suggest that, on reflection, 'Married at First Sight', is far more moral and equitable than the standard medieval anti-woman Muslim tradition.

Come on, Foxy and Paul, rush in to defend Islam against women's rights :)

Joe

Runner,

You speak of Ramadam and what is done or not done during the period. I am currently re-reading the Raj Quartet by Paul Scott. A stone was thrown at a car in one of princely states in 1942, injuring one of the British officers travelling in the car. In the quest to find the culprit, one of the characters opines that it couldn't have been a Muslim because no Muslim would do such a thing during Ramadam.

I think that that opinion would be wishful thinking these days.