I'm not sure deception s the UN's forte or even part of their charter David. But it may well be yours, as a world leading spin doctor?
You'll have a nice day now y'hear.
Alan B.

Ah Yes Mr Singer the expert on the Middle East fount of all knowledge on the mistreatment of the Palestinian people by the Israeli Military,courts,people not to forget the Settlers.
I think I tend to believe Fisk before I believe a propagandist like you Dave

How true is this? I'm not completely convince.

#Alan B, #John Ryan, #rollyczar

I can undertstand your bewilderment that the United Nations could lend its name and authority to a "Study" that turns out to be false and fabricated in many parts.

Attacking me for disclosing what has happened is pointless.

Rewriting the terms of a UN Resolution 181 is a pretty serious thing to try and get away with - but that is what has happened and been swallowed hook line and sinker by people who are prepared to accept the UN as a reliable and reputable source.

That the UN should be a party to this attempt to rewrite Resolution 181 - one of the most important resolutions dealing with the Jewish-Arab conflict passed in the General Assembly - is mindblowing to say the least.

This concocted Study has caught many unsuspecting persons in its trap.

You may well be among those who were duped.

Shooting the messenger and ignoring the message is letting the United Nations off the hook.

There are other examples of false and fabricated material contained in this "Study" that need rectification.

Perhaps the new UN Secretary General will be moved to take action.It is certainly long overdue.

Well Dave you and your friends in the Israeli Propaganda Dept & their masters in the Security branch,know a lot about concocting things,making things up & out right lying we always bow to the master
That is of course when they are not murdering Palestinians or encouraging the Settlers to burn,loot & murder Palestinians as well, the IDF just watches or joins in depending on the visible cameras

#John Ryan

You have been well and truly duped by this concocted UN fabricated "Study".

Do you agree that the "Study" in claiming that Resolution 181 called for a "Palestinian Arab State" misrepresented what Resolution 181 actually called for - an "Arab State"?

….............The offending statement in the Study misleadingly declares:

After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....

The Study omits to mention that 78% of Palestine had already become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan................

The only person attempting deceit here is Singer. Yet again he makes a dog's breakfast of it.

He openly states that Transjordan came into existence in 1946. So in 1947 when discussions about Palestine took place, they referred to what we perceive today as Israel and the Occupied Territories of Palestine. That is what the UN voted on in relation to Resolution 181. Now compare the two wordings. Both mention independent Arab and Jewish states with Jerusalem controlled internationally. There is absolutely nothing misleading about the Study's wording.

The only offending & misleading statement is Singer's pathetic attempt to blatantly muddy the water by dragging in Transjordan.

#Anti-Colonial

Do you agree:

1. That the word "Palestinian" was not used in Resolution 181?

2. That 78% of the territory of the Mandate for Palestine became an independent Arab State in 1946?

BTW - still waiting for you to justify your claim that there is no difference between a Palestinian Jew and a Palestinian Moslem.

Resolution 181 dealt solely with the partition of Palestine in 1947, not with any other concept of Palestine prior to 1947. UNSCOP considered also a federal state of Palestine, that was a variation of the 1939 White Paper supporting a single Palestine state. So given the constant references to this area as Palestine and its potential for statehood, describing Arabs living in Palestine as Palestinian Arabs is perfectly logical to any sane intelligent person.

Your pathetic persistence in trying to muddy the waters with incorporating Transjordan into Palestine in 1947 merely exposes your perfidy. As far back as 1927 the Brits were announcing that Transjordan was not part of Palestine. Furthermore autonomy for Transjordan with its own borders began way back in 1928. Conflating the territory of Transjordan into the territory of Palestine simply because they were both incorporated in the League of Nations Palestine Mandate is either indicative of stupidity or a deliberate attempt to deceive. In your case I would go with the latter.

BTW – been waiting far longer for you to provide hard evidence that Zionism is a two thousand year old movement. Still waiting for the evidence that shows a concerted Jewish effort to migrate back to the Holy Lands prior to the evolution of the Zionist movement in the late 18th century.

Whoops!

Still waiting for the evidence that shows a concerted Jewish effort to migrate back to the Holy Lands prior to the evolution of the Zionist movement in the late 18th century.

should read as

Still waiting for the evidence that shows a concerted Jewish effort to migrate back to the Holy Lands prior to the evolution of the Zionist movement in the late 19th century.

# Anti Colonial

I ask you again:

Do you agree:

1. That the word "Palestinian" was not used in Resolution 181?

2. That 78% of the territory of the Mandate for Palestine became an independent Arab State in 1946?

Why is it so difficult for you to answer "Yes" or "No"?

I guess you have given up on substantiating there is no difference between a Palestinian Arab and a Palestinian Jew. You could never substantiate this anyway. It was a false claim like so many other claims made by you.You sure have had plenty of opportunities to substantiate that claim and squibbed it each time.

D.S.

My response is a counter to your attack on a study and the people that subsequently cited that study. You accuse all of them of explicitly and or implicitly of deceptive behaviour or lacking the academic nous to properly research their work. When your simplistic data mining is put in its proper context it shows the only person acting deceptively is you. If you believe my response was misleading or deceptive, you are free to point out where it misleads or deceives. You are free to point out why the omission of the Trans-Jordan autonomy and the use of the word Palestinian was deceptive.

And just to emphasize your deceptive behaviour, one only has to highlight another paragraph in your article. It states -

…..."Palestinians" were first defined in the 1964 Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Charter to mean Arab citizens normally resident in Palestine in 1947 and their descendants. Jewish and non-Arab Christian residents were excluded under this racist and apartheid definition............

Article 7 of that same PLO Charter reads - “Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine.”

What is truly hilarious though, is a supporter of the fascist democracy of Israel accusing others of racist and apartheid behaviour.

#Anti-Colonial

Pity you still continue to refuse to answer two simple questions. Why the problem in saying "Yes" or "No" to each question?

As to your comment on Article 7 of the 1964 PLO Charter:
(i) The number of Jews who would qualify as "Palestinians" was severely resticted to "Jews of Palestinian origin". Jews (and their descendants) who had come to Palestine to reconstitute the Jewish National Home as laid down by the Mandate for Palestine and the UN Charter were to be sent packing.

(ii) Non-Arab Christians would not qualify as "Palestinians" under any circumstances.

(ii) Article 7 - as racist as it was - did not appear in the 1968 revision of the PLO Charter - which was replaced by an even more racist provision - Article 6 - which stated:
"The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians."
That would exclude all Jews born in Palestine or coming to Palestine after 1900. Wouldn't be too many of those around today if the PLO managed to wipe Israel off the face of the map.

Sure sounds like racist and apartheid behaviour to me.

Intrigued why you would also call Israel a "fascist democracy".

You don't really like the Jewish people do you? Perhaps you can answer "Yes" or "No" to this question when you answer these so far unanswered two questions:

Do you agree:

1. That the word "Palestinian" was not used in Resolution 181?

2. That 78% of the territory of the Mandate for Palestine became an independent Arab State in 1946?

Just answer yes or no D.S.

At the start of the Mandate, the Jewish population across the whole Mandate territory was less than 8%.

The TransJordan Memorandum having been endorsed by the League of Nations was a supplement attached to the Mandate for Palestine in September of 1922.

The memorandum included the statement -”His Majesty’s Government accept full responsibility as Mandatory for TransJordan”.

The Mandate for TransJordan and the Mandate for Palestine were administered separately. As early as 1923 Transjordan had begun the self-governing process.

After a thorough analysis of the Peel Commission recommendation by the Woodhead Commission in 1938, the British Government rejected the partition of the territory of Palestine.

The conclusion to this rejection was the 1939 White Paper, which enacted the British Government's recommendation to commence preparations for an independent Palestine.

At no time was the Jewish population ever close to a majority throughout the Mandate for Palestine.

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." - Golda Meir

Meir mouthing off with all the religious zealotry of an Ayatollah or an ISIS imam. At least Mohammad was a real person as opposed to the mythical Moses.

Like Meir, all you have is words. You Zionists are so desperate to claim absolute heritage of this land over the Palestinians, you would have us believe your religious texts are historical texts too. You want us to believe that ancient mythology overrides the rights of inhabitants whose residency goes back generation after generation for hundreds of years. You want us to believe your prayers have more validity than hard physical evidence. Your assertion that a prayer is evidence of a 2000 year old Zionist movement is rendered pathetic by the hard evidence of Jewish demographics over the centuries and the well documented history of Theodor Herzl. Your babbling Zionist propaganda is such incomprehensible waffle that even you cannot tell us why the use of the word Palestinian and non-use of the word is Transjordan is deceitful.

From 1917 through to 1942 the Zionists deceitfully played word games with the meaning of a Jewish Homeland. In the earlier decades they continually downplayed its meaning as being that of a Jewish state. It was not until 1942 that they openly demanded a Jewish State. A demand that did not come from the Jewish Agency in Palestine. It came from the World Zionists in the USA. Even then despite the massive increase in the number of Jews in Palestine, they never had a majority. Deceit is in the DNA of Zionists, they have been deceiving Palestinians for over a hundred years.