Dear David,

We have been holding a civil conversation. It seems not to be that any more.

'pathetic pawn' is not civil.

Goodbye

Dear David,

Let me try once more. There are 22 Arab states. None of them are democracies. All of them do not have the separation of religion and state which is necessary for democracy. In not having separation of religion and state Israel is an undemocratic state which copies both the Arab states and those states which have oppressed Jews. Look to the United States as a democracy where Jews thrive because it has the separation.

#davidf

Do you now acknowledge that your following comment is unsubstantiated and is in fact false:

"The decisions deciding that Palestine should be a Jewish homeland are flawed because the people in the area were not consulted."

I assume you read the evidence I presented to you to rebut your claim:
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE

Could you please withdraw your statement or present evidence you rely on to justify your claim.

Dear David,

I read the reference you suggested. In it was the following:

"If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

The above complains that the people of Palestine would not consent to any constitution which would not give them full control of their own affairs. I grant that Arab representatives were consulted and their views were ignored.

However, my main objection to Israel remains that it resembles more the states where Jews have been oppressed than it does the United States where Jews have flourished. The Jews have flourished in the United States because there is separation of religion and state, and a person's religion is no business of the government. Jews have not flourished in countries where religion is the business of the government as non-Jews flourish at the expense of Jews. In Israel Jews flourish at the expense of non-Jews. Without separation of religion and state a country is not democratic regardless of what it calls itself. Israel imitates the countries which have oppressed Jews. It is not good to have Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish or Muslim states. They are all oppressive.

It's not just religion, it's racism - the implanted notion that genetics determine people's inborn role as overlords or underdogs. Israel and its behaviour are both founded on racism peddled by elements among those who present themselves as genetic overlords. Religion, an intrinsic evil in itself, gives an added impetus to racism.

#davidf

It is indeed pleasing that you now state:

"I grant that Arab representatives were consulted and their views were ignored"

The canard that you have now retracted:

"The decisions deciding that Palestine should be a Jewish homeland are flawed because the people in the area were not consulted."

has been one of the multitude of false facts presented by Arab propaganda as part of their "narrative"

You can for example find it repeated at the UN in 1947 by the Lebanese Minister of Foreign Affairs:

"As for the Mandate, it contains the same redhibitory defects as the Balfour Declaration. It also violates Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant. Whereas the Covenant states that the purpose of the Mandate is to serve the interests of the mandated territory and requires the Mandatory to lead it towards independence, the text of the Palestine Mandate envisages placing Palestine under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of a Jewish National Home.

The same article of the League of Nations Covenant provides for consultation of the inhabitants of the mandated territories. The inhabitants of Palestine were not consulted."
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/9559F15D11159A028525776C0071FE0B

This lie is but one of the many lies perpetrated over the years by Arab propagandists.

Repeated over and over again and not being challenged they eventually become accepted as truth.

I hope you never make this claim again - and correct others who you see making the same claim.

Fake news was being distributed about the conflict in Palestine by Arab propagandists long before President Trump made fake news an issue.

Beware anyone who seeks to rely on Arab sources for information on the Jewish-Arab conflict. Double check the facts you use from such sources before rushing into print.