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Will the lights go out in Victoria or just industry? : Comments

By Tom Quirk and Paul Miskelly, published 14/2/2017

The real distortion to the system is the treatment of wind generated power.

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u can be sure that when the lights do go out in Victoria like in SA that the renewables high priests will be in denial and baffle the gullible with excuses. They will continue to pig headed bang on about gw and ' dirty' coal while the elite enjoy all the benefits. Hopefully enough ' deplorables' will wake up to the deceit of the renewable industry and its outrageous costs and unreliability. No wonder people are turning to One Nation.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 2:31:36 PM
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SR,

The problem with the ABC article is that it fails to discriminate between the bulk price sale off shore and the retail prices after the network costs.

Blocking exports is essentially forcing the gas suppliers to sell their product below market price. That would enable them to claim compensation from the government. There is plenty more CSG available that could be developed at much lower prices.

Finally,

The gas plants could supply the power, but at higher prices. That is why closing coal plants is so stupid without developing low cost alternatives.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 2:52:46 PM
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The gas that comes out of our ground is our gas! And the natural cost of supplying ourselves with our gas is the natural cost of drilling the holes, building the heat exchanger/storage facility and the natural cost of pipes that carry it to our homes etc!

No government ever had a mandate to alter that by privatizing our gas industry, and in so doing, upping the price overnight by 400%! Given, it's always paid contractors, who drill the holes, build the storage facilities or lay the pipes that carry gas to our homes/wherever we need it!

And the only thing in prospect, quick enough to fire up, when the renewable intermittent systems fails!

As our own resource, we should reserve some of it for ourselves; and to power our industries! Not sell it off to the Lowest bidder without so much of by your leave, Hasbeen!

First we lose the jobs, then the possible export incomes; and the taxable revenue we retain by retaining manufacture. And self evidently, purloined by patent stealth and subterfuge by pompous, popinjay, pernicious political personalities, signing away our national heritage and our economic, energy dependant, sovereignty!

What we needed was quite massive modernization and rationalization. Not piecemeal manufacture by a dozen companies, just to create a single saleable product, that then has a dozen tax and shareholder dividends and debt burdens built in; and reflected in the non competitive end price!

As indeed is the ever cascading energy quotient costs! That has now exceeded labor costs! Not helped by our, piecemeal, all over the shop, manufacture/assembly processes!

While that may be the order of business in the union hierarchy? There's no place for inhouse (secret) political agreements that define our permitted role/place in the pecking order/chain of command? And must be replaced by vastly more accountable transparency.

At the end of the day, we maximise the profits of our energy products (ours) by sending off shore as manufactured or processed goods that have an essential, built in, energy quotient!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 14 February 2017 5:30:35 PM
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"The gas that comes out of our ground is our gas! And the natural cost of supplying ourselves with our gas is the natural cost of drilling the holes, building the heat exchanger/storage facility and the natural cost of pipes that carry it to our homes etc!"

No, "selling" our gas to ourselves at less than world parity pricing is a cost of gas fired electricity production. We pay for it one way or the other.

Renewables plus gas is no solution for CAGW, only a sensible staging point for an assault on the problem while hoping for a scalable, affordable storage miracle, a whimsical nonsense pathway up a dead-end.

Clean coal is an oxymoron and scalable, affordable carbon capture is as much a chimera as storage.

Renewablistas are becoming more shrill and in denial as the truth gradually reveals itself, yet the N-word dare not speak its name as we go through the throes. Its time will come if Finkle can get off the Kool-Aid.
Posted by Luciferase, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 6:29:04 PM
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I think Graham Richardson (ex labor cabinet minister) summed up the issue well:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/graham-richardson/labors-ignorance-on-electricity-affordability-is-paving-the-way-for-electoral-massacre/news-story/0bde7bf335227a033a2d8fb9f27fbb39

"Watching Question Time in the House of Representatives on Tuesday was, for me, as alarming as it was tragic. Mark Butler, Labor’s Shadow Minister for the Environment, asked the PM a question on the supply of electricity in NSW. Butler’s point was that power was cut to homes and to the Tomago aluminium smelter in a state which overwhelmingly relied on coal power and not renewables. The Opposition, front and back bench alike, roared their encouragement and support. I was alarmed because this open display of ignorance and stupidity by Labor paves the way for electoral massacre by an unworthy government which will be able to run a real scare campaign on the reliability and affordability of our power supply.

The tragic nature of it came as I watched Labor members, lemming like, queuing up to go over the cliff. The PM easily swatted away the Butler question like a man revitalised by finally having a policy to push that he knows may well over time restore his and his government’s standing and reputation. Surely Butler and his mates are intelligent enough to know that the only thing demonstrated by the heatwave in NSW was that there are not enough coal-fired power stations operating.

No matter how much pressure from the Left Bill Shorten is frightened of, he must assert real leadership on this issue. Government is achievable and it would indeed be a travesty if dumb ideological adherence to a renewables policy doomed to fail brought Labor undone. If Labor took this weapon away from the PM’s hands, victory will be within its reach."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 6:43:10 PM
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Labor has been dragged left and looney on electricity generation, but so has the general public, particularly the young, who have swallowed the Kool-Aid.

Fantasy has won many an election, with the message that more, rather than less renewables, will solve stability and supply problems and spawn magical industries. The idea that scalable, affordable storage is just around the next corner has been adopted as an article of faith after being said so often by so many politicians divorced from science.

Perhaps it is the SA renewablistas' strategy to ensure enough grid instability to encourage wealthier homes and businesses to seek expensive battery back-up, firstly, then perhaps attempt going off-grid. All very well, but pity if you're poor or a business needing cheap and stable enough electricity to compete with the rest of the world.

We are TUSCWP.
Posted by Luciferase, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 8:48:17 PM
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