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Paris buries Palestine and UN Security Council Resolution 2334 : Comments

By David Singer, published 20/1/2017

Perhaps the Security Council and the Paris participants should now consider the 'two-state solution' first envisaged in 1922.

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Yuyutsu:

"Rather than your "only" expensive solution of dismantling Israel, which would cost the world a nuclear winter and billions of deaths, why not consider the far cheaper solution, by your own admission, of making it all covert. Nobody is able to stop the Jewish settlers, Israel included, but you can STOP THE MEDIA!

"P.S. Since you mentioned racism, how do you like this picture? http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/78/23/c0/7823c0fd2ad7b63890526ea1ddcc1a1c.jpg"

As a scientist I spent most of my working life trying to solve problems (often fairly successfully) but never came up with Yuyutsu's solution - hide it from view. On brushing the idea aside, I'd find it hard to suppress an ad hominem reply. I still do.

People not too recently out of the pram can remember a long-standing and conspicuously evil racist state - the Republic of South Africa (unsurprisingly a close friend of Israel) which thought it would be around forever. But when the rest of the world lost patience with it, it was dismantled. No nuclear winter. No billions of deaths. No sky dark with the clouds of flying red herrings.

When the US lifeline closes Israel will be dismantled, either by its own inhabitants catching the equality bug as the Boers gritted their teeth and did or by the Arabs coming over the wall. Trump is giving them a breathing space, but the future is not theirs as it wasn't the Boers'.

The picture cited by Yuyutsu was missing a caption - showed someone pointing a weapon but without knowing who or why it was impossible to guess its significance.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 12:02:24 AM
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Dear Julian,

The picture from http://au.pinterest.com/pin/316377942543443020 shows an Israeli soldier training. She is female and a black Ethiopian, that much for racism. Israelis come in all races and even an increasing number of Muslim Israeli-Arabs now volunteer to serve in the Israeli army and protect Israel from ill-meaning Islamists and internationalist-leftists like yourself.

Yes, Israel has its own unpleasant minority of racists, just like Australia and practically any other place, but this is not what Israel is about: Israel today is about people who are determined to survive, thrive and remain independent where they happened to be born, which only happens to be in the Middle East.

Yes, I do suggest that if stories of racism disturb your good sleep at night, then the best you could do about it is to shut off your TV or whatever other media which supplies you with such stories - because my family is not going anywhere!

You seem to take my family for idiots or for suicidal victims of the "equality bug", http://www.livescience.com/28497-parasite-causes-mice-to-not-fear-cats.html, who would just open their door to a flood of hostile blood-thirsty enemies (perhaps in order to avoid some Julian who lives on the other side of the planet calling them "racists"). Dream on - they have the nukes which South Africans didn't have, they are stronger and wiser and they will outlive you, with or without any so-called-"help" from those stupid and clumsy Americans!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 2:46:41 AM
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Correcting Yuyutsu's deceitful language using dictionary English:

Religion does not determine race.
Skin colour does not determine race.
Place of origin does not determine race.
Genetics determines race and appointing people to be overlords on the ground of genetics is racism on steroids.
Israel's Law of Return (Google it) sets out the racial requirements for eligibility to settle in Palestine as an overlord.
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Birds of a feather stick together. Note the close relationship between Boer South Africa and racist Israel and that between the notorious racist bigot Donald Trump and Israel (leading to a tut tut even from the Australian Foreign Minister when the racists went ape with new conquests in Palestine.)
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Yes it is conceivable (though unlikely) that Israel would use nukes to preserve its supposedly God given privileges over lesser beings. It is also conceivable that North Korea would launch a nuclear attack if pressed. If either country did so it would be reduced to a glowing wasteland of glazed silica within a day.
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True, the God-chosen would not open their doors to submen. The Huns felt the same way in 1945 but the Russians went through the Junkers heartland of Prussia in an avenging storm. The wisest course for Israel once the US munificence ends would be to negotiate in good faith (for once) for a secular one state democracy in which nobody is overlord over anyone else on grounds of race.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 11:35:41 PM
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Dear Julian,

By the prevailing understanding of what "racism" consists of, yes, some decreasing numbers of Israelis are still racist.
Racism has been the norm in the West for centuries, but is now declining around the world and Israel is no exception.

The belief as-if God chose anyone to overlord others, is only held by a tiny minority and even within that larger minority of Jews who so claim, only few actually so believe. Mainstream Rabbis denounce that idea altogether.

You would hardly find any Israeli who wants to be an overlord. Even the most vehement Jewish settlers (most of whom are practically more American than Israeli, do not care for Israel and operate against its interests) would prefer the land empty for themselves without any "underlings" or cheap Bantu workforce.

On the final balance, America harmed Israel more than it ever helped her. Israel wasn't always allied to America anyway - in its earlier days it was closer to the Soviet Union and France and today it enjoys very close relations with China.

The "Law of Return" is anachronistic, it belonged to a different age and should include a sunset-clause. Yet, so long as Israel is under attack and fights for its survival, it cannot afford to repeal it.

If genetics determines race, then practically all of us are stinking of racism, including anyone who prioritises their children over other-people's children and including myself for preferencing the lives of my family in Israel over the lives of some Arabs whom I never met. If your idea as a good Marxist is to abolish biological parenting, do state so - meanwhile how many African children did you adopt?

Get it? I am a racist because I want my family to live and prosper. I don't care for Jews as such, but statistically I can trust a Jew more than others not to attempt to shoot or knife my family. If a so-called "Palestinian" could prove that they've no harmful intents and will respect the lives and property of my family, then my family would welcome them no less than Jews.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 26 January 2017 8:43:42 PM
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Just to make language as in the dictionary even clearer to try to stymie Yuyutsu's ducking and weaving:

#The issue is not racists in Israel, it's the right of the race-based STATE of Israel to exist as such in the middle of Palestine.

#The Law of Return remains a law governing the right of foreigners to settle as overlords in the parts of Palestine into which the racist State of Israel intrudes and it is exercised every time homes are made for them by Israel's bulldozers.

#Genetics is the determining factor for eligibility to become an overlord under the Law of Return. Google it!

#Apart from wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on shoring up Israel, America is distorting its foreign policy to protect Israel from its enemies far and wide (e.g. see measures against Iran, see routine UN vetoes).

#Even worse, the Australian government supports the continued injustice against the Palestinians within whose homeland it occurs.

#It's not our duty to ignore it e.g. by muzzling the Press or hiding under the bedclothes as Yuyutsu suggests, it's our duty not to.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 26 January 2017 10:23:56 PM
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Dear Julian,

«#The issue is not racists in Israel, it's the right of the race-based STATE of Israel to exist as such in the middle of Palestine.»

The state of Israel is in Israel, not in Palestine. However, it also occupies parts of Palestine and that should stop (because it harms Israel to be in those cursed territories).

While the state of Israel is regrettably racist to some degree, also while you would know by now that I don't like the concept of state in the first place, Israel has the right to exist because it's the only body which stands between my family and a sea of hostile and barbaric Muslims who want to kill them.

«#The Law of Return remains a law governing the right of foreigners to settle as overlords»

False. The Law of Return, like it or not is a different matter, does not mention overlordship, only the right of certain people to become Israeli citizens by an accelerated procedure. Australia has equivalent procedures for former citizens who wish to resume their Australian citizenship.

«which the racist State of Israel intrudes and it is exercised every time homes are made for them by Israel's bulldozers.»

This is to be condemned, but not Israel's existence itself. Israel should be encouraged to improve its behaviour.

«#Genetics is the determining factor for eligibility to become an overlord under the Law of Return.»

Wrong. No DNA tests are conducted. Also, Ivanka Trump for example could become an Israeli citizen any moment she likes despite failing the genetic test. The actual criteria is of being a former citizen of Israel. You may want to debate the question of who is a true descendent of a former citizen, but that's a different matter.

«#Apart from wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on shoring up Israel, America is distorting its foreign policy...»

Then go and complain about America, not about Israel. Israel is not responsible for the idiocy of others.

«the continued injustice against the Palestinians»

Justice? If anyone behaved like them in Australia, they would spend the rest of their life in prison.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 27 January 2017 2:54:59 AM
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