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Meryl and her streeple : Comments

By Louis O'Neill, published 16/1/2017

Why does she feel the need to turn the Golden Globes into her own political monologue?

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Dear Shadow Minister,

A couple of corrections.

Regarding the link I gave earlier which you described
as a "left wing whinge?" The author of the article
has used sources such as - the Washington Post,
the New York Times, Politico magazine, a report by
Axios, and history itself.

Your claim that "it has never happened?" is false.
Taken from the link, " Actually a transfer of Power
has happened a handful of times since the Kennedy
assassination. Once when Ronald Reagan had cancer
surgery and twice when George W. Bush underwent colonoscopies.
Also under Woodrow Wilson - when his wife assumed the
duties of the Presidency for the remainder of his term."

"This topic was also the subject of discussion toward the
end of the Reagan administration when it became obvious that
the President was suffering a loss of cognitive ability.
It wasn't invoked then, but as we know now, Reagan was
suffering from Alzheimer's. Had it become acute - while he
was in office Congress would have had to take action."

The language of the Amendment clearly encompasses other
scenarios besides physical incapacities. Trump's behaviour
is destructive and it is not a fantasy that either
his Cabinet or the Republican leadership in Congress would
take such a drastic step. The evidence is there
that if Trump really started to behave in an unhinged
fashion the Amendment allows for action to be taken.

See you on another discussion. For me this one has now run
its course. Whether this so called "fantasy" as you put it
ever occurs - we shall have to wait and see. Neither of us
can predict anything with any certainty but the fact
remains that there are provisions within the Constitution
that allow for action to be taken to depose a President.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 10:17:58 AM
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Foxy,

A correction

The article to which you linked referred specifically to Amendment 25 section 4, not just Amendment 25:

"Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration

Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked. It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President disabled. "
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:27:54 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Correction:

Actually the twenty-fifth Amendment to the Constitution,
Article 4 allows,

"Whenever the Vice President AND a majority of either the
principal officers of the Executive Department or of
such other body as Congress may by law providing transmit ...
their written declaration that the President is unable to
discharge the powers and duties of his office, the
Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and
duties of the office as acting President..."

You should also read the rest of the link I gave you.

It will clear things up for you. There are also plenty
of websites on the web that explain how an American
President can be deposed.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 3:03:32 PM
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Foxy,

I gather that you have conceded the "never" part.

Perhaps this will help to resolve your delusion:

"Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President may resume exercising the Presidential duties by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House.

Should the Vice President and Cabinet believe the President is still disabled, they may within four days of the President's declaration submit another declaration that the President is incapacitated. If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President while Congress deliberates."

So essentially if Trump is removed in this way, the VP etc have 21 days to get a nearly impossible 2/3rd majority vote in the congress or Trump would resume as president with all the repercussions.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 4:25:14 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You can easily Google for yourself the conditions
under which an American President can be deposed.
There are enough sites on the web that will give
you that information. As I stated earlier whether
this will happen regarding Mr Trump we shall have to
wait and see. This is not a fantasy or being
delusional. This is a reality. Neither you nor I
know what the future holds. All I know is that there
are enough rumblings and mutterings and dissatisfaction
against the current President (and protests) going on
not only in the US but around the world.
We'll have to wait and see what if anything, happens
next.

See you on another discussion.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 8:15:27 AM
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Foxy,

I am fully aware of the requirements. In 1999/2000 the republicans who held a majority of seats in the senate and congress tried to remove Clinton, and while getting a vote in both houses of >50% were unable to remove him.

The suggestion that a supermajority of congress men of whom a majority are republicans will vote to remove a sitting republican president is laughable.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 1:46:23 PM
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