Be very very careful what you wish for David!

And on this same subject, you seem to have more positions than the Kama Sutra? D Trump wasn't even on your radar, now you seem to want to instruct him, what he MUST do?

You might actually achieve an acceptable outcome if you could get inside the head of (iron lady) Sara Netanyahu?

Apparently she wears the pants in that household? Maybe she could organise a bedroom boycott, to get all the players at the table, and kept in place until a peaceful two state solution is a done, never to be repealed or unpicked deal and the "final" reality!?

Other than that give Donald his head; and he's the itchy trigger finger man to do it, allow him to nuke the area and bump off friend and foe alike? That'd end the conflict for all time!? "FINAL"

Be very very careful what you wish for or try to control!
Enough already!
Alan B.

Nice try David, but you still don't understand the aspirations of all the Arabs that your mob have stolen land from.

David

Goodness me Dave you do have a problem,all those US white people giving NAZI salutes,the anti Jewish stuff coming from Trumps good friends on the Alt-Right and KKK,even the old discredited Jew Bankers gets a run.
Be very careful what you wish for Dave in Trump-land the fanatic Christians want Armageddon in Israel so they can all go to God a position which I believe they deny you Jewish people.
What on about a settlement OK go back to the old 1970s lines, pull the settlements down all of which are illegal,and start charging the Settler movement with war crimes along with the IDF maybe things will settle down then

Meanwhile the election of Trump has given the green light for the continued(and probably never ending) expansion of the Israeli "settlement" movement.

#Alan B

Trump was not on my radar? Are you serious?

Here is my latest article on the threat to a Clinton victory written a few days before the elections.
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=18617

Obama's poor policy decisions in the Middle East over the last eight years were a major contributor in Clinton's defeat.

You can read many of my articles on OLO detailing Obama's mistakes during that period.

Get real mate.

#VK3AUU, #John Ryan, #Daffy

Your apparent anxiety at the thought that the 100 years old conflict between Jews and Arabs might be resolved by Trump is stressing you out. Your desire to see the Jewish State wiped off the map is not looking too good at the moment. Go to a therapy room, pat a dog and get some crayons to colour in the map of Israel. You will feel much better.

"The first such proposal came in 1922 when Great Britain went back on its promise made to the Jewish people in 1920 at both the San Remo Conference and the Treaty of Sevres"

Oh, really? What about the promises made to the Arabs if they fought on our side in WW1, don't they count?

Trump will do nothing, he is all hot air, there is only one solution, the US has to stop financing, arming, and supporting Israel, and the US lobby system will never allow it.

#billyd

You overlook the fact Jews also fought on our side in WW1

"Two Zionist activists, Joseph Trumpeldor and Vladimir (Ze'ev) Jabotinsky, were influential in the creation of all-Jewish combat units of the British Army in the First World War. Both directly enabled the foundation of the Zion Mule Corps in 1915, which served in Gallipoli, and Jabotinsky in particular led the drive for the creation of Jewish battalions in the British Army. These battalions - the 38th, 39th and 40th Royal Fusiliers - are collectively known as the Jewish Legion."
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/il%5Egb.html

The Arabs got 99.99% of the conquered Ottoman Empire territories covered by the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon and the Mandate for Mesopotamia - now called Iraq. Not a bad deal in anyone's language.

They claimed they were promised the other 0.01% which was allocated to the Jews but this was was rejected by the Allied Powers.

Nevertheless in 1922 the Arabs were given 78% of that 0.01% - that is today called Jordan.

Still not enough.

They have not stopped claiming the remaining 22% of the 0.01% promised to the Jews that is today called Israel.

If 100 years of demanding an area of land one third the size of Tasmania after being handed the vast area given to them after World War 1 makes any sense to you - it certainly does not to me.

There are 57 Moslem States in the world today including 22 Arab. Yet they still seek to deny the Jews one State in the world unanimously agreed on by the League of Nations and confirmed by the United Nations in article 80 of the UN Charter.

And there are people like you who continue to support such insane Arab demands as Arab States like Syria and Iraq slowly disintegrate before your eyes and millions of innocent Arabs are slaughtered and maimed and flood into Turkey, Jordan and Europe seeking safe haven. Lebanon has become another Arab battleground causing death and wholesale destruction.

The Arabs have indeed made a fine mess of the vast territories landed in their laps after WW1

There is only one openly racist state, proclaimed as a state for a genetically defined population and open for settlement to anyone in the world with the right genetics. Dismantling that state and opening Palestine's doors to all those forcibly exiled from it would lead to a one state solution. This dismantling is what happened tn the racist Republic of South Africa.

In Palestine it could mean that the foreign settlers would end up being subject to Sharia law. Unfortunate, but it couldn't happen to nicer people than the foreign settlers who knowingly stole and brutally held the Palestinian homeland.

#Emperor

You are totally wrong in stating
"There is only one openly racist state, proclaimed as a state for a genetically defined population and open for settlement to anyone in the world with the right genetics"

I take it you are referring to Israel.

How can Israel be a racist state when 20% of its citizens are comprised of Moslem Arabs and Christian Arabs?

Israel has an Arab justice in its Supreme Court, has Arabs serving as Members of Knesset, the armed forces, Arab doctors in its hospitals treating Jewish patients and Jewish doctors treating Arab patients whilst Arab students study alongside Jewish students in its universities. The shopping malls are crowded with Jewish and Arab citizens as are the markets restaurants,trains and buses. Burka clad check out chicks can be found in every supermarket working alongside their Jewish counterparts earning the same rates of pay and enjoying the same conditions.

What would you call Saudi Arabia that allows no Jews or Christians to become citizens and whose constitution declares:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a sovereign Arab Islamic state with Islam as its religion; God's Book and the Sunnah of His Prophet, God's prayers and peace be upon him, are its constitution, Arabic is its language and Riyadh is its capital."

How would you describe Syria with this provision in its Constitution:

"The religion of the President of the Republic is Islam; Islamic jurisprudence shall be a major source of legislation;"

What about this gem in Iraq's Constitution:

"Islam is the official religion of the State and is a foundation source of legislation:
A. No law may be enacted that contradicts the established provisions of Islam....

Genetically defined? What is the definition that you rely on to make this claim?

How do black Jews and white Jews, Christians and Moslems who have converted to Judaism come to possess the "right genetics"

Put up or shut up.

Mr Singer asks: Genetically defined? What is the definition that you rely on to make this claim?

Ans: Defined at http://www.jewishagency.org/first-steps/program/5131

Theocracy is vile, almost as vile as racism. Mr Singer has listed a heap of theocratic hellholes. Their constitutions are not racist. Even in ratbag countries like Saudi Arabia there is no provision that everyone in the world of the right genetics (Arab?) may go there to occupy Lebensraum.

The status of the much vaunted 20% of inhabitants who have the wrong genetics is eloquently exemplified by the Non-Jewish Israeli Yousef Munayyer, at http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/opinion/not-all-israeli-citizens-are-equal.html.

There's a lot to be said for the one-state solution to ensue once the West gives up on wasting its dwindling resources arming racist Israel.

So there Mr.Singer. What BS are you going to come up with to reply to that?
David

#Emperor

The link you cited contains no genetic definition.

What it does include is this statement:

"In 1970, Israel took another historic step by granting automatic citizenship not only to Jews, but also to their non-Jewish children, grandchildren, and spouses, and to the non-Jewish spouses of their children and grandchildren. This addition not only ensured that families would not be broken apart, but also promised a safe haven in Israel for non-Jews subject to persecution because of their Jewish roots."

Rather blows any genetic claim to smithereens - wouldn't you agree?

Yousef Munnayer makes his gripe clear in the first paragraph:
"I’M a Palestinian who was born in the Israeli town of Lod, and thus I am an Israeli citizen. My wife is not; she is a Palestinian from Nablus in the Israeli-occupied West Bank."

Israel does have strict emigration laws to deal with such cases. But so do other countries.
http://www.immigroup.com/marrying-and-sponsoring-vietnamese-citizen

This does not seem to bother you.

99.9%,? 78% of 0.01%,? And we are meant to take you seriously?

My comment about promises during WW1 was in response to your insinuation that only Jews were made promises.

Yes, there were Jewish battalions in WW1, supply units mostly, some disbanded two years before the end of the war, how many fought and died for Palestine?

The FACT here is Israel attacked Egypt to start the 1967 war, with the spurious claim that it was pre-emptive, then set about stealing what land the Palestinians had left. This is what the present situation is about, not the founding of Israel, as the Palestinians have already stated. Israel does not want a solution, the status quo suits the to the ground, and in Netenyahu they have the perfect person to ensure a solution will never be found.

Quote: [David Singer]

"How can Israel be a racist state when 20% of its citizens are comprised of Moslem Arabs and Christian Arabs?"

Quite easily, by passing discriminatory laws.

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/database-discriminatory-israel/

Mr Singer claims the item I cited has no genetic definition.

Reopen it Mr Singer

Scroll to Law of Return clause 1.

Parse the second word.

Repeat.

On the second point.

Under Australian law the (initially foreign) wife of a person born in Australia is eligible for full for full Australian citizenship. There are absolutely no restrictions on that person carrying an Australian passport and leaving and entering Australia at will. So far as I know this is true of people who marry citizens of any non-racist country in the world. This not so of racist Israel and no lawyerly thrashing about will make it so.

Israel is an illegitimate racist settler state artificially embedded (for the time being) in Palestine. To the rest of the world it is a source of constant instability and will remain so until - like its defunct ally the racist Boer Republic of South Africa - it is dismantled.

#Billyd

So your position is that despite Jews and Arabs both being made promises the Arabs should get all the liberated Ottoman Empire territories and the Jews not a skerrick.

Spoken like a true Jew-hater.

Like most Jew haters- when they lose out on one issue - the allocation of the Ottoman Empire territory between Jews and Arabs - they seek to raise another issue - the 1967 Six Day War - to peddle their Jew hatred.

You make the following snide and unsubstantiated assertion:
"The FACT here is Israel attacked Egypt to start the 1967 war, with the spurious claim that it was pre-emptive, "

That claim is not spurious.

Perhaps you should look at the following timeline to find out why Israel was totally justified in launching its attack on 6 June 1967
http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/timeline.htm

#Billyd

The Adalah list of supposed discriminatory laws relied on by you is a load of garbage.

Are you suggesting Israel should not have appointed a custodian for Arab properties and compile a Register to enable claimants of those properties to seek compensation or ownership. Is that discriminatory?

Are you suggesting the Jewish state recognised by the United Nations was being discriminatory in giving any Jew the right to migrate to that Jewish State especially after six million Jews had been exterminated during the previous decade?

You need counselling mate. Jew hatred is a disease and you have got it bad.

#Emperor

My last comment to Billyd is equally applicable to you.

Israel is not "an illegitimate racist settler state artificially embedded (for the time being) in Palestine."

It is a member of the United Nations and complies in all respects with the legal conditions required by the 1934 Montevideo Convention.

The only thing that is embedded is your Jew-hatred.

I think I have him parsed.

Demands for and implementation of superior status on genetic grounds constitute racism.

If the superior status is Jewish then the above must not apply.

To reject this special exception is Jew hatred.

That pretty much sums Mr Singer, and those for whom he trolls, up. A racist. Choosing Jews as the race in question, and dragging in the Nazi Holocaust as a (phoney) exemplar, is SELF-RIGHTEOUS racism.

To oppose racism locks decent people into opposing any state based on overt racism. Not only opposing this or that crime it commits but opposing its existence and opposing any assistance to keep it viable.

#Emperor

You state:
"To oppose racism locks decent people into opposing any state based on overt racism. Not only opposing this or that crime it commits but opposing its existence and opposing any assistance to keep it viable."

What other states based on your understanding of "overt racism" have been similarly the subject of your vitriol? Give me some links of posts you have made on the subject in relation to those other states.

Guess I misjudged you.

You are not a Jew-hater... you are a rabid Jew-hater.

Known only one other overtly racist state since the war - the racist Malanazi Union of South Africa. Strongly favoured its dismantlement and rejoiced when it happened in 1989 after the external world pulled the rug out from under it. That left only one that occupied conquered territory and whose legal system openly claimed it was based on superior vs inferior races, distinguished by their DNA.

Not that racism doesn't exist all over the world including in our own history, but in only one remaining state I'm aware of does the law specify that it is a homeland for one singled out global race only and its destabilising behaviour bear that out every day. Mr Singer exudes racism and peddles it constantly. This is not a consequence of his race but of his racist ideology.

#Emperor

You have now indeed confirmed what I had already concluded... a rabid Jew hater of the worst kind.

A rumbled racist squeaks.

David, am I correct that it is a Jewish belief, that in the end days, all Jews will be returned to the "Holy Land" and a Messiah will come to rule.

David