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Nobel confusion: Ramos-Horta, Trump and world disorder : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 28/10/2016

A Clinton presidency would hardly be that prudent, nor particularly wise, but that is the Ramos-Horta verdict, his own variant of an external endorsement that is bound to fall on deaf ears in the United States.

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Duterte in mirror reverse! It could be worse, and probably will be!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 28 October 2016 8:28:46 AM
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Would anyone listen to Ramos-Horta, one-time president of a tinpot island, a recipient of one of the meaningless prizes that are handed out like Smarties at a kid's party?
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 28 October 2016 9:11:42 AM
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I am somewhat staggered at the ability of so many to ignore the massive weight of history behind Clinton corruption and the mess left behind from Hillary's time as Secretary of State and focus entirely on Trumps many failings.

Whilst the primary focus was on Bill Clinton there are some very interesting interviews around with the late Christopher Hitchins about the Clinton's, Youtube is a good place to start. He also wrote a book called "No One Left to Lie To" https://www.amazon.com/One-Left-Lie-Triangulations-Jefferson/dp/1455522996 which I've not read. Some claims that Hillary had a significant role in the silencing of women who spoke about against Bill Clinton's sexual abuses of them (including some credible rape claims).

Jill Stein the US Greens presidential candidate thinks that Hillary will start a nuclear war within 6 months. A good cut of it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1NDL-URlBY and I've watched the full segment at http://www.jill2016.com but can't find the link to the full video at the moment.

A series of hidden camera videos from Project Veritas Action covering the behind the scenes tactics to cheat on US law and mislead voters http://projectveritasaction.com/ They may well have their own agenda and could have cut some bit's to change context but a watch of the videos will show that the explanations being offered to dismiss them don't hold water.

The push by some Clinton supporters to suggest that Trump is the one likely to start a nuclear war whilst at the same time focussing on Russian support for Trump. Seems extremely unlikely that Putin wants a nuclear war with the US and I'd place more credence in Russia's analysis of the risks than Clinton supporters.

One Obama on Clinton and money in 2008 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g

The other Obama in 2008 then 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESHzW0arRo

Obama on Clinton and McCain and foreign policy in 2008 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37_rpJJQBwM

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 28 October 2016 9:27:21 AM
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For those thinking that Clinton was cleared by the FBI's probe into the use of a private server for official emails this isn't a bad example of how things seem to work when a Clinton is cleared by an investigation.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/24/clinton-ally-gave-500k-to-wife-of-fbi-agent-on-email-probe/

Any FBI agent fit to lead such a serious and politically loaded investigation would have known that the perception of conflict of interest (and I suspect the reality) meant that someone else needed to lead the investigation.

There are also reports that I've not got a sense for the credibility of that agents involved in the case have complained that lines of investigation blocked by the lead agent.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 28 October 2016 9:42:37 AM
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Horta is from East Timor's RULING CLASS?

Who gives a toss what "former president of Timor-Leste, José Ramos-Horta" thinks and says.

East Timor under the East Timorese Ruling Class is now one of the most dependent and corrupt countries in the world. It piles up oil revenue while demanding guilt-aid from everyone.

East Timor's English speaking ruling class fled Indonesia in 1974-75 when the Indonesians invaded. The poorer classes, who couldn't flee, were massacred by the Indonesians. The Ruling Class returned after Australia liberated East Timor in 1999.

After 1999 the Ruling Class imposed Portuguese (the former colonial master's language) on the East Timorese poor Imposition of Portuguese was/is designed to forcibly control and quarantine East Timor's poorer classes. Portuguese prevents them from threatening the privileges of the English speaking Ruling Class.

See the Portugues language of the privileged here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/world/asia/31timor.html :

Dili, East Timor in 2007 "The rumble of a generator and the whir of ceiling fans muffled the quiet words of a judge as he questioned a witness in a murder trial here one recent hot, still afternoon.

But even if they could have heard him, most of the people sprinkled through the little courtroom, including the defendant and the witnesses, could not have understood what he was saying.

The judge was speaking in Portuguese, the newly designated language of the courts, the schools and the government — a language that most people in East Timor cannot speak..."
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 28 October 2016 1:53:44 PM
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A Clinton Presidency would be the worst thing that could happen to the US, except for one thing, a Trump Presidency!

And in a scale of comparable disasters, turn a survivable defeat into an absolute rout for the republican party!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 28 October 2016 4:40:16 PM
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I'm glad Mrs Clinton has demanded in the clearest possible terms, that the FBI chief (chief of sleaze) release that Email! Given it's not even one of hers, but an explicitly sexual one from a former male staffer/senator? To some 15 year old kid? And unprecedented just two weeks out from a presidential election!

Given Clinton goes on to win the election and helped by that Email!? I wouldn't put even modest odds on the (right wing partisan?) Director remaining the director very long after that? Perhaps he has a Trump card/generous retirement package/ security consultancy up his sleeve?
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 30 October 2016 8:18:55 AM
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Why is FBI Director Comey described as the "chief of sleaze"? He's a good bloke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey

Aren't you talking about Anthony Wiener?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner#Sexting_scandals
- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-28/new-clinton-emails-emerged-part-probe-anthony-weiners-electronic-devices-nyt
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 30 October 2016 8:47:37 AM
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Alan B you need to read a lot more carefully. While investigating allegations of a former rep' communications with a 15 year old emails that may be relevant to the investigation of Clinton's use of a private email server were found. The man involved had been married to one Clinton's top aids and apparently a shared PC previously.

FBI boss is in a no win scenario with this. He is no doubt already under massive pressure over previously having reportedly having someone with a strong perceived conflict of interest to lead the investigation into Clinton's use of the email server.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Sunday, 30 October 2016 10:48:30 AM
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Hey Alan,

FBI Director Comey was board member of HSBC – Clinton Foundation & Drug Cartel ‘bank of choice’
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/07/13/fbi-director-comey-board-member-of-clinton-foundation-connected-bank-hsbc/

This is interesting because of the ties to drugs that also surround the Clintons in Arkansas.
Now read this:
http://prorev.com/connex.htm
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 30 October 2016 11:57:45 AM
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I'm sorry, but most posters have got this one wrong, including yours truly? It seems that the congressman husband of a long suffering Clinton aide, was apparently found using his wife's account to post sexually explicit emails to a 15 girl? As alleged by America's thought police?

These days many 15 year old kids, would know more than the congressman with the wandering diabolically despicable keyboard? And how can anybody know how old the email (chat room) recipient is?

How this then transfers to Clinton is beyond my understanding! Was she holding his hand or dictating as he typed?

Yes, let's demand the chief of sleaze release all the information rather than imply/infer that Mrs Clinton is somehow involved (guilty by association) in the private peccadilloes of a husband of a staff member?

As for the claim that this slime is a director of a foundation? If factual, sure to be very temporary?

Of interest is the timing and the attempt to have some of this sleaze wash off on Mrs Clinton just two weeks before the Presidential election!

One can only hope that the (not that easily fooled or manipulated) American voter sees it for what it is?

Innuendo writ large in some feeble (partisan) attempt to stop republicans deserting their nominee in droves?

And if is their best (dirty low blow) shot? A Clinton win is virtually assured?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 30 October 2016 5:41:49 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l3oUjAN1IA&feature=youtu.be&t=6s
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 30 October 2016 11:55:24 PM
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This isn't confirmed, but I've heard that there were thousands of emails which are relevent to Hillary's email investigation found on a computer shared by Abedin and Weiner and placed in a file named "Life Insurance"
I heard that this "Life Insurance" point was mentioned on CNN earlier this morning but I cant find any videos or articles of it.

One could only speculate why emails were in a folder named "Life Insurance".

Regarding Alans concerns, there is a longstanding Justice Department and FBI practice to not comment publicly about politically sensitive investigations within 60 days of an election
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 31 October 2016 9:05:01 AM
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Not enough known yet about the emails but from my understanding the earlier investigation did find that emails containing classified material were stored on the private email server. What they didn't prove was intent to breach the law. That serious a lack of judgement in itself is very telling but in a contest primarily between Clinton and Trump I can understand why some might consider it a minor issue.

Emails to a close aid that have not been subject to any cleansing may give a fuller view of the way things were done than has previously been available.

As for the investigation into Weiner and the merits of sexting a child, that's a different issue.

The only real cross over is if it impacts on the ability for the FBI to investigate the Clinton related emails as they were not I presume the subject of the warrants that the PC was seized under. I have not seen that aspect discussed so perhaps it's not an issue in this instance.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 31 October 2016 9:47:13 AM
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Hey Robert,
It's a bit of a fallacy that Comey required 'intent' in order to prosecute.
US law states that 'intent' is not required in regard to mishandling of classified information.
Simply being negligent is all that is required to be in breach of these US laws.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/11/people-punished-far-less-hillary-clintons-email-offense/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-may-include-thousands-of-emails-linked-to-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-30/why-doj-having-trouble-accessing-thousands-huma-abedin-emails

- The FBI has permission to search Weiners files on that shared computer but not Abedins, so I understand.
The warrant allows the FBI to look at those files.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 31 October 2016 10:16:49 AM
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