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Why some voters embrace Hanson and Trump : Comments
By Toby Ralph, published 26/10/2016There's a serious misunderstanding of the intentions of many Donald Trump and Pauline Hanson voters.
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 27 October 2016 12:56:09 AM
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Wow! Has there ever been a more arrogant article here, or one that got everything so wrong. I wonder how it is that this Toby bloke knows my thinking, better than I do.
God the disaffection must run very deep when even Graham, once a campaign director for a major, can come out against the status quo. He's right that there is much more than economics at play here. That the elites ignore all the problems they cause us peasants with their immigration, education, defence, energy & so many other policies is my complaint. I had to pinch myself as I looked at how I was voting at the last election, but it was right. A number of my friends were annoyed with themselves after the election, that they couldn't quite bring themselves to do the same. The majors had better wise up damn quickly, because next time they will be putting then way down the list. When I joined the navy, all bright eyed & bushy tailed in 1958, just the motto, "queen & country' was enough to have me prepared to lay down my life to defend my country. Today I have no country. The elites, bureaucrats, academics & the other lefties, have given it away to any yobbo who wanted it. I wouldn't walk across the street to defend the mess we now have. Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 27 October 2016 1:37:42 AM
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Hasbeen...
One of your better posts! Congratulations, you've nailed it! Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 27 October 2016 5:43:08 AM
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It appears that several commenters here have failed to realise that the author wasn’t making a blanket statement referring to all Trump and Hanson voters. (Perhaps a clearer title for the article would have been, “Why some voters who embrace Trump and Hanson do so”?) He only referred to a vague “many”, and I would agree that some Trump and Hanson voters (more so with Trump) just want to flip the establishment - that they feel has disenfranchised them - the bird, and flush them out. Not all of them are fearful, xenophobic bigots. However, to claim that the author has it wrong IS making a blanket statement about all Trump and Hanson voters.
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 27 October 2016 6:52:13 AM
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For all the talk about Trump/Hanson policies they are little more than hollow aspirational claims.
As well as demonising various groups within their own societies Hanson's saying "I don't like it" is the just same as Trump's "I'll make American great again" and how he will magically "fix" everything. Both groups also feed off vague paranoid claims about world-wide conspiracies working against the powerless but again, nothing specific. Even the KKK has the restoration of local jobs and manufacturing, restrictions on immigration and the stopping of outsourcing as their political aims - just hollow rhetoric without practical substance. Nothing has been forthcoming about how they would achieve ANY of those things, as if their just being there would magically make things happen. They have to "put up or shut up" or they will just join the neverending list of political opportunists attracting (and eventually disappointing) disaffected voters. Oh and tbbn - I'm actually not a Marxist but more a Centrist, but when you're so far to the right, everybody else must automatically look like a Leftist to you. Posted by rache, Thursday, 27 October 2016 7:39:29 AM
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Hey rache,
I'm not sure Trump can fix everything, and really he doesn't need to. As long as he prevents Hillary from starting WW3 as well as preventing her from selecting supreme court justices and changing laws and writing exectuative orders that would be more than enough, in my book. The people are slowly being fed up with politicians that don't take their interests seriously and the winds of change seem to be coming soon enough anyway. Trump has spoken about how he would realistically achieve some of the issues you mentioned, but the bought and paid for media spends every spare second writing negative stories instead. The info you say doesn't exist is out there, you probably just haven't seen it. You made the point that they 'demonise various groups within their own society' which is why I responded. I'd like to argue that the other side too play divisive identity politics, and they in fact have created the game. I think the left (Hillary in my example) has deliberately used 'feminism' and 'immigration' as devisive issues in order to gain a voting advantage over a certain group in order to get elected to power, all the while being an agent of the 1% and not actually being for the vast majority of people at all. Speaking of WW3, I saw an article yesterday which speaks about Russia's new nuke in development. It will take out an area the size of France, or Texas with 40 1mt warheads. http://www.infowars.com/as-globalists-push-war-russia-unveils-defensive-nuke-that-can-destroy-texas-size-area/ Now theres 1000 kiloton in a megaton, and this is what just 15 kiloton will do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46GBjlUOROY Do we really want to mess with Russia? Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 27 October 2016 11:16:30 AM
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Quote - "Never saw this one coming, I thought he was a typically double standard 'progressive' mouthpiece."
- No you had it right, he is a 'typically double standard progressive mouthpiece'.
The first video you added the link to is taken out of context, sadly (it was a good speech).
It's part of a video entitled 'Michael Moore in TrumpLand' which was recently released.
You can watch it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1EnRLZ3p4o
Its supposed to be a one-night only show he did in the heart of a predominantly Trump voting area, but the audience came across as very 'progressive-like' to me and I felt like the whole thing was staged to some degree.
Whilst he did make a few reasonable points, I felt like he also actually insulted Trump voters (if there were really any there) and the whole thing was a journey into his besotted love for Hillary ever since he went to the Whitehouse to meet her.
He pointed out the Clinton body list and bragged about the death of Vince Foster like her killing people is a great thing.
He talked about Hillary wanting universal healthcare 20yrs ago and stated she could've save 1million Americans and tried to gain sympathy for her treatment.
He played the feminism card, heavily.
He tried to make the audience and viewers feel sorry for her, often focusing on female members of the audiences reactions.
He talked about how she would and should in her first 100 days rebuild America through executive order, (effectively tearing up the constitution) and concluded with a combination guilt trip / pathetic grovel insisting that even if Americans absolutely hate her, they should do the right thing for America and vote for her anyway, then go back to hating her.
And the people clapped. As if.
I think the independent media got suckered into playing and promoting Moore's clip that you linked.
The clip seems like a ploy get Trump supporters to feel sorry for Hillary and get them to vote for her whilst maybe also shining a spotlight on the healthcare issue he brought up.